Prices disappeared from Confuserator!

[Mistertoad]

^^^ I like your optimistic thinking, but I don’t think it works that way.

Feel free to put that proposition to your OPC and update us on their response...

The sales exec. at my local OPC, has said that he cannot confirm at this stage whether a price rise is likely, but that paying now will make no difference, since the OPC will be charged by Porsche when the car is shipped there, at prices that stand at the time. If the price rises, he emailed, then they will need to pass it on to me. He said he will discuss with the Sales Manager, and confirm, likely in the New Year. (I'm not sure if he understood that I would not want the OPC to hold on to my money, but would want it paid to Porsche, Germany now, in Euros before the Pound might plummet.)

On the other hand the pound could rise dramatically after the second referendum

[adrian991]

I suspect the disappearance of pricing is GB increase related or Co2/WLTP issues. I know that Jan/Feb build 2019 cars are all embargoed until into March...

WLTP certification only applied to all new cars introduced from September 1st 2017 and then it became compulsory for all new registrations from September 1st 2018 but up to today the type approval had to show both WLTP and NEDC values.
That all changes tomorrow, as from January 1st, only the WLTP test results must be shown in the showrooms and promotional material for all new cars, I suspect this why the C02 and MPG data has disappeared off the web site. It's not going to affect the VED rates (YET) as these are still based on the NEDC figures which are derived from WLTP however that will change from April 2020. (Another detail buried in the 2018 budget statement)

My new Macan delivered in December came with a type approval certificate showing both WLTP and NEDC, on the web site before the pricing vanished NEDC showed one figure for CO2 and 3 figures for MPG. However, WLTP could potentially show a lot more. The WLTP driving cycle is divided into four parts with different average speeds: low, medium, high and extra high. Each part contains a variety of driving phases, stops, acceleration and braking phases. For a certain car type, each powertrain configuration is tested with WLTP for the car’s lightest (most economical) and heaviest (least economical) version.

So, here is the actual WLTP data for my Macan 2 Litre:
Low average speed - 295g/km - 21.7 mpg
Medium average speed - 222g/km -28.8 mpg
High average speed - 198 g/km - 32.5 mpg
Extra high average speed - 249 g/km - 25.7 mpg
Combined average - 233 g/km - 27.4 mpg

This is the NEDC data also shown on the certificate
Urban - 218 g/km - 29.7 mpg
Extra Urban - 166 g/km - 38.7 mpg
Combined - 185 g/km - 34.9 mpg

If you can remember the information that was on the site when the new Macan was announced was only the Combined CO2 figure of 185g/km shown alongside the Combined 34.9 mpg and then expanding the tech data on the web site showed the other two values for MPG only but not CO2.

It just goes to show what's really coming out of the exhaust so it will be interesting to see what figures Porsche publish and will the HMRC see this as an opportunity to increase the rates of VED for new registrations from April 2020 based on the new more realistic CO2 data?

[Paul]

... if it puts the figures up then I suspect you’re right!

[Col M]

"WLTP, in its true form, will come into circulation this autumn, but its CO2 figures are not scheduled to be linked to vehicle tax until April 2020. Confirmation is expected in November’s Budget.

Until then, every car that undergoes the test has a new ‘NEDC-correlated’ value, using a tool called CO2MPAS, which was formulated to create a figure close to the old NEDC figure."

Fleetnews

[adrian991]

"WLTP, in its true form, will come into circulation this autumn, but its CO2 figures are not scheduled to be linked to vehicle tax until April 2020. Confirmation is expected in November’s Budget.

Until then, every car that undergoes the test has a new ‘NEDC-correlated’ value, using a tool called CO2MPAS, which was formulated to create a figure close to the old NEDC figure."

Fleetnews

Col, given that I have a type approval certificate for a Macan with WLTP data I would say that's rather conclusive, however what you may have picked up on is that there is a period of time up to September 2019, which allows for a limited number of unsold vehicles in stock that were approved under the old test (NEDC) to be sold. From January 1st it's WLTP that applies as far as the vehicle information for CO2 and MPG but as you have correctly pointed out for VED rates the NEDC correlated figures will continue to be used until April 2020. It's very confusing but what it does show is that the NEDC data totally understates the true values when it comes to CO2 emissions.

[Fairynuff]

Prices came back on today and about time too. I don't know (you may?) if the prices on there now are the same as the prices before they disappeared?

[mark-yorkshire]

Prices came back on today and about time too. I don't know (you may?) if the prices on there now are the same as the prices before they disappeared?

Base Macan 2.0 same price as before.

[pmg]

Confirm the S I configured in December comes up as same price today.

[GW2015]

Confirm the S I configured in December comes up as same price today.

Good news!

[mavg1986]

Pricing still unavailable for me when I looked yesterday and again today, same message to contact OPC - UK website.

Am I missing something?