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kevinhtcat
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Post by kevinhtcat »

Hi All,

Happy new year. I am new to this forum and I plan to order a new Macan in 2019, maybe 2nd half of 2019 depending on delivery time. This will be my very first Macan/Porsche so I got a lot queries which I would appreciate your comments.

a little background:
currently drive Jaguar F-pace 2.0T
doing 7k-8k per year
not overly keen on driving but like Porsche as a brand
live in London but commute by public transport
majority city driving occasional motor way driving, social and pleasure use only.
VERY limited budget!
plan to keep Macan for 3 -4 years
plan to buy it outright


according to my scenarios, here is what I want to spec my Macan
Macan petrol 2.0
Metallic colour
19 or 20 inch wheels
coloured central crest on wheels
reserving camera (yes not confident on my parking)
privacy glass
heated front window (thought this would be handy given the weather)
heated front seat?
comfort light package (like light)
overall it would be probably slightly over 50k.

to conclude the above, I just want a good looking car hence the metallic colour, larger wheels, privacy glass and light package. I am not a person that really keen on driving so I think 2.0 petrol should be good enough for me. of course the budget is anohter reason. unsure about heated front seat as I used only 1-2 times on my Jaguar, dont feel that this is necessary to me. however, still cant accept that for a 50k+ car doesn't have heated seat.

say if the car costs £52k when new, after 3 years my estimated residual value would be around £31k. after 4 years my estimated residual value would be around £28k.

therefore total depreciation over 48 months would be £24k.

when it comes service/maintenance cost, if keep for 48 months, that would be one minor service (4£30), one major service (£560), 2 brake fluid changes (£95x2=£190), one MOT around £50. maybe 2 tyres around £400.

therefore total cost: approx. £1630.

Road tax would be £450x4= £1800

on summary, estimated cost excluding fuel would be as below:

depreciation - £24,000
service/maintenance - £1,630
road tax - £1,800
Total: £27,430

average yearly cost £6,857 which seems ok to me.

so my questions would be:
1. given my scenarios any comments on the spec?
2. is my calculation on cost right?
3. I know 20inch wheel looks much better but it costs a lot more than 19inch wheel, does 19inch wheel still look good?
4. how long roughly it would be the delivery time?
5. I plan to part exchange my Jaguar, say if the delivery time is 6 months later, do they give you the part exchange value at the time of placing order or collecting your order?
6. guess the price is non-negotiable?

I know there is a lot questions but this would be my first Porsche purchase so wanted to make sure everything right. Thanks in advance.

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Post by On-Track »

kevinhtcat wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:45 pm Hi All,

Happy new year. I am new to this forum and I plan to order a new Macan in 2019, maybe 2nd half of 2019 depending on delivery time. This will be my very first Macan/Porsche so I got a lot queries which I would appreciate your comments.

a little background:
currently drive Jaguar F-pace 2.0T
doing 7k-8k per year
not overly keen on driving but like Porsche as a brand
live in London but commute by public transport
majority city driving occasional motor way driving, social and pleasure use only.
VERY limited budget!
plan to keep Macan for 3 -4 years
plan to buy it outright


according to my scenarios, here is what I want to spec my Macan
Macan petrol 2.0
Metallic colour
19 or 20 inch wheels
coloured central crest on wheels
reserving camera (yes not confident on my parking)
privacy glass
heated front window (thought this would be handy given the weather)
heated front seat?
comfort light package (like light)
overall it would be probably slightly over 50k.

to conclude the above, I just want a good looking car hence the metallic colour, larger wheels, privacy glass and light package. I am not a person that really keen on driving so I think 2.0 petrol should be good enough for me. of course the budget is anohter reason. unsure about heated front seat as I used only 1-2 times on my Jaguar, dont feel that this is necessary to me. however, still cant accept that for a 50k+ car doesn't have heated seat.

say if the car costs £52k when new, after 3 years my estimated residual value would be around £31k. after 4 years my estimated residual value would be around £28k.

therefore total depreciation over 48 months would be £24k.

when it comes service/maintenance cost, if keep for 48 months, that would be one minor service (4£30), one major service (£560), 2 brake fluid changes (£95x2=£190), one MOT around £50. maybe 2 tyres around £400.

therefore total cost: approx. £1630.

Road tax would be £450x4= £1800

on summary, estimated cost excluding fuel would be as below:

depreciation - £24,000
service/maintenance - £1,630
road tax - £1,800
Total: £27,430

average yearly cost £6,857 which seems ok to me.

so my questions would be:
1. given my scenarios any comments on the spec?
2. is my calculation on cost right?
3. I know 20inch wheel looks much better but it costs a lot more than 19inch wheel, does 19inch wheel still look good?
4. how long roughly it would be the delivery time?
5. I plan to part exchange my Jaguar, say if the delivery time is 6 months later, do they give you the part exchange value at the time of placing order or collecting your order?
6. guess the price is non-negotiable?

I know there is a lot questions but this would be my first Porsche purchase so wanted to make sure everything right. Thanks in advance.
Hi Kevin, welcome to the forum.

Comments on spec: I would keep the heated front seats and forget the heated windscreen. I had one on my Cayenne and only used it once or twice over two years. The option has only become available on the Macan with the facelift. So far, over three winters I've managed quite well without one. Your question 3 influences question 2. I doubt whether you can get replacement tyres for £400 with 20" wheels. I paid £1200 for a full set of four Michelins. OK, that was from the OPC, fully fitted so I expect in can be bettered but I would allow at least £500 for tyres.

Delivery time, at the moment is being quoted at around four months and any trade in price will only be agreed around delivery time. Discounts were available in 2018 but unheard of before then. Given that you're going for a recently announced facelift model, I would not rely on a discount.
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Post by Deleted User 1874 »

Since you are on a tight budget I would look at selling your Jag privately rather than part exchanging it. That should save you thousands of pounds for just a little more effort.

For parking I would go for the full 360 degree surround camera view instead of the more basic reversing camera. It makes it easier when you can see all 4 corners and wheels in a single view.

Wheel size is personal preference really. Bigger looks good, but you will lose a little ride comfort and pothole/kerb resilience and tyres are likely to be more expensive. Personally I would go 19" on a Macan, but if looks are key then 20" does look better.

I think your costs look reasonable, but I would budget for 4 new tyres over 30K+ miles and 20" will be more expensive than 19".
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Post by nozydog »

kevinhtcat wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:45 pm Macan petrol 2.0
Metallic colour, 19 or 20 inch wheels, coloured central crest on wheels, reserving camera (yes not confident on my parking)
privacy glass, heated front window, heated front seat, comfort light package (like light) overall it would be probably slightly over 50k.

to conclude the above, I just want a good looking car hence the metallic colour, larger wheels, privacy glass and light package. I am not a person that really keen on driving so I think 2.0 petrol should be good enough for me. of course the budget is anohter reason. unsure about heated front seat as I used only 1-2 times on my Jaguar, dont feel that this is necessary to me. however, still cant accept that for a 50k+ car doesn't have heated seat.

say if the car costs £52k when new, after 3 years my estimated residual value would be around £31k. after 4 years my estimated residual value would be around £28k.

therefore total depreciation over 48 months would be £24k.

when it comes service/maintenance cost, if keep for 48 months, that would be one minor service (4£30), one major service (£560), 2 brake fluid changes (£95x2=£190), one MOT around £50. maybe 2 tyres around £400.

therefore total cost: approx. £1630.

Road tax would be £450x4= £1800

on summary, estimated cost excluding fuel would be as below:

depreciation - £24,000
service/maintenance - £1,630
road tax - £1,800
Total: £27,430

average yearly cost £6,857 which seems ok to me.

so my questions would be:
1. given my scenarios any comments on the spec?
2. is my calculation on cost right?
3. I know 20inch wheel looks much better but it costs a lot more than 19inch wheel, does 19inch wheel still look good?
4. how long roughly it would be the delivery time?
5. I plan to part exchange my Jaguar, say if the delivery time is 6 months later, do they give you the part exchange value at the time of placing order or collecting your order?
6. guess the price is non-negotiable?

I know there is a lot questions but this would be my first Porsche purchase so wanted to make sure everything right. Thanks in advance.
Personally I think the circa £1k 19" Macan Turbo wheels look great (20" do look good but 21" look too big to me) I would also add auto dimming mirrors at around £252... well worth it!

As for residuals I reckon you'll be surprised... on that low a milage (similar to my own) it should retain around £35k... according to all my own research 70% trade on a below average miles Macan should be easily achievable (just look at the retail price of used Macans at all OPC dealerships... they're selling at silly high prices!!)
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Post by kevinhtcat »

many thanks for the comments above. since the faclift Macan has only been introduced recently, I thought so that there wouldn't be any discount available at the moment. perhaps it is good idea to wait and see. my estimated on depreciation is on conservative side. I guess the depreciation in reality would be less than my estimated one. according to Auototrader, for a 3.0 diesel Macan 14 plate doing around 30k miles still cost like 33k!!

20inch wheels definitely looks better than 19inch to me, but cost 2k more if I am right? also need to take into account of the cost of tyres. 20inch more expensive than 19inch. so for value of money perhaps 19inch one is good for me.
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If you're primarily going to be doing city driving, 19" wheels might give you a better ride, and save a chunk of money (and ditching the coloured wheel centres would save a bit more!). I don't think the heated windscreen is necessary, and my experience of them is that the elements are quite intrusively visible in some lighting conditions. I'd definitely add Surround View - I have it and it's great for kerbside parking.

Selling the Jag privately might save you a big chunk of money. And, although you plan to buy outright, if you're concerned about depreciation you might ask for a PCP quote in order to see how much depreciation the dealer predicts.
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Post by kevinhtcat »

andreas wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:46 pm If you're primarily going to be doing city driving, 19" wheels might give you a better ride, and save a chunk of money (and ditching the coloured wheel centres would save a bit more!). I don't think the heated windscreen is necessary, and my experience of them is that the elements are quite intrusively visible in some lighting conditions. I'd definitely add Surround View - I have it and it's great for kerbside parking.

Selling the Jag privately might save you a big chunk of money. And, although you plan to buy outright, if you're concerned about depreciation you might ask for a PCP quote in order to see how much depreciation the dealer predicts.
many thanks. since you are 2nd one who recommend surround view and not to spec the heated windscreen. I think I would waive the heated windscreen and seriously consider surround view. the reason of not considering surround view initially, is that I dont have this fitted on my Jag (reserving camera only) and I find it ok to park. given Macan is smaller than Jag F-pace in size I think it should be ok without surround view.

thanks again.
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Post by VanB »

Never heard of a reserving camera - is this a Jag option ;)

Seriously though, if you do most of your driving in London I wouldn't bother with bigger wheels, the higher sidewall and greater comfort in the smaller radius wheels will be much better for your usage. I wouldn't bother with surround view unless you are totally incompetent behind the wheel and the smaller wheels should also save your rims if you occasionally brush up against a kerb. Heated windscreen is a bit of a gimmick for the few days a year it might be useful and, as has been said, the element can be surprisingly intrusive.

Historically Macans have depreciated very slowly and hopefully that will continue - I lost 9% on mine over 14 months and £11k miles which I think, outside of the Porsche brand, is almost unheard of. I suspect you will do better on residuals than you are allowing for and the 2.0 is a good urban choice.

Whatever you decide good luck.
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Post by Guy »

If I did most of my driving in London I'd probably go for a Suzuki Jimny, and hire (or test-drive ;) ) something more appropriate when venturing further afield :D
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Post by kevinhtcat »

VanB wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:53 pm Never heard of a reserving camera - is this a Jag option ;)

Seriously though, if you do most of your driving in London I wouldn't bother with bigger wheels, the higher sidewall and greater comfort in the smaller radius wheels will be much better for your usage. I wouldn't bother with surround view unless you are totally incompetent behind the wheel and the smaller wheels should also save your rims if you occasionally brush up against a kerb. Heated windscreen is a bit of a gimmick for the few days a year it might be useful and, as has been said, the element can be surprisingly intrusive.

Historically Macans have depreciated very slowly and hopefully that will continue - I lost 9% on mine over 14 months and £11k miles which I think, outside of the Porsche brand, is almost unheard of. I suspect you will do better on residuals than you are allowing for and the 2.0 is a good urban choice.

Whatever you decide good luck.
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