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Sweetmeister
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Tracky wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:11 am
Sweetmeister wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:37 am
pmg wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:10 am

I agree with Tracky, a properly applied ceramic coat will reduce most swirling. It won't stop scratching, it will reduce but not completely stop stone chips. There has to be something on the sponge that can penetrate the ceramic coat for damage to the paintwork beneath to occur. You are more likely to get swirling if the car has wax applied. Hence the habit that built up of clay bar use to remove the swirling that had built up in wax coats.

Very few of these treatments are 100% effective but they are highly effective. I have had my last 3 cars ceramic coated and no wax and done little care other than pressure wash and snow form and towel dry. Their paintwork condition after 5 years has better than my previous cars which had wax.
You are missing the point, if you wash/care for your car properly ie snow foam etc etc then yes it would help, if like the OP says he takes it to his local car wash,then one bad wash with a dirty sponge will easily penetrate the ceramic coating and scratch/swirl the car. It’s there to repel water and contaminants not prevent scratches or swirls. It will offer no protection against stone chips, and if your detailer is telling you it does,then he’s lying.You need PPF for that. :)
We didn't say it would protect from stone chips but it will help protect it from swirling as it puts layer between it and paint
Read what you have just quoted! First paragraph. It will not reduce or stop stone chips.Yes if washed correctly it will offer some protection but not from a bucket and dirty sponge. :oops:
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MikeM wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:40 am Interesting thread but for those that think that a ceramic coating will afford some protection against stone chips and the local car washers methods “AKA Wash & Scratch” go ahead. If you are going to throw money at protecting your car that’s a good thing but also spend some on decent washing kit and Do It Yourself. 🤨🤐
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Somebody is using the wrong products then…..

Anyway I’m not condoning such outfits but I do have links with a detailing business !
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From my research ppf will help protect against stone chips as it’s a physical layer. Ceramic coating will not but will provide a nicer finish more akin to wax but (hopefully) longer lasting rather than the 1-6 months - seen claims of up to 9 years but various people on the forum disagree with that. Some people claim to have applied both to get finish and protection but I haven’t seen prices for that. I Am still personally on the hunt for a good detailer recommendation in or near Hampshire.

How you choose to wash your car though is surely a different topic?
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BanZ wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:04 pm From my research ppf will help protect against stone chips as it’s a physical layer. Ceramic coating will not but will provide a nicer finish more akin to wax but (hopefully) longer lasting rather than the 1-6 months - seen claims of up to 9 years but various people on the forum disagree with that. Some people claim to have applied both to get finish and protection but I haven’t seen prices for that. I Am still personally on the hunt for a good detailer recommendation in or near Hampshire.

How you choose to wash your car though is surely a different topic?
Apparently, based on some of the other posts though, “how you choose to clean your car” can’t be totally separated. Other posts have said that if you have the ceramic coating you can’t, or shouldn’t, just use regular cleaning products. TBH I have absolutely no idea and get the feeling there is an element of snake oil about ceramic coating.

As previously said, all sounds like a bit of a faff to me.
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OmniCognateSnr wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:14 pm
BanZ wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:04 pm From my research ppf will help protect against stone chips as it’s a physical layer. Ceramic coating will not but will provide a nicer finish more akin to wax but (hopefully) longer lasting rather than the 1-6 months - seen claims of up to 9 years but various people on the forum disagree with that. Some people claim to have applied both to get finish and protection but I haven’t seen prices for that. I Am still personally on the hunt for a good detailer recommendation in or near Hampshire.

How you choose to wash your car though is surely a different topic?
Apparently, based on some of the other posts though, “how you choose to clean your car” can’t be totally separated. Other posts have said that if you have the ceramic coating you can’t, or shouldn’t, just use regular cleaning products. TBH I have absolutely no idea and get the feeling there is an element of snake oil about ceramic coating.

As previously said, all sounds like a bit of a faff to me.

Having over 30 years run cars with wax treatment and then 12 with ceramic, I know the latter is less "faff". I admit I have never had a car with PPF but I do think there can be long term issues with peeling and damage repair
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Agree with above

PPF does go off after time
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Tracky wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:28 pm Agree with above

PPF does go off after time
Any idea how long it lasts?
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BanZ wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:41 pm
Tracky wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:28 pm Agree with above

PPF does go off after time
Any idea how long it lasts?
No change on mine, on my Aston, for the 3 years I owned it and it helped the resale value because they tend to get stone chips on the front of the rear wheel arch because they are quite pronounced. Only real issue I had was that because they didn’t cover the whole panel you end up with white wax marks along the seems that are a pain to polish out ( but can be with a bit of effort).

Mind you my Aston was meteorite silver, not dissimilar colour to volcano grey, so any discolouration would likely be more obvious on a lighter colour. Seems logical it would fade. My clear phone case goes yellow after about 12 months.

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BanZ wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:41 pm
Tracky wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:28 pm Agree with above

PPF does go off after time
Any idea how long it lasts?
Xpel give you a 10 year guarantee. After that if it’s not up to scratch then take it off and go again or just leave. 10 years is a long time and I doubt I will have the car then. I do have a 10 year old Cayman R which someone else put ppf on from new. It does show some signs of ‘dullness’ but ppf has moved on since it was done. However I have zero stone chips on the areas that have the ppf on.
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