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Rarecolour,

I could post numerous pictures of nice shiny new super cars that have been stacked driving out of the dealers by folk eager to test their new toys abilities.

I have put a few of them in ambulances as a result.

Ferodo are talking about track brakes at speeds that are not legal on roads in this country.

It's your car and your life but I would not recommend what you suggest on a road.

ps. you didn't post paragraph 3 of the Ferodo web page?

3. Brake, brake, brake. Though gentle braking is better than heavy braking, more braking is better than less. For up to the first 200 miles, every time the brake pads make contact with the discs, it increases the contact surface area between the two, which leads to better braking in the long-term. So you should remind your customers to brake lightly, but brake often, for the first 200 miles after new pads have been fitted.

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Nelladrahcir wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:07 am
A failure would have been catastrophic.
Moving the debate along.....

If the brakes do fail, can you use the electronic brake to slow down?
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Nelladrahcir wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:47 am Rarecolour,

I could post numerous pictures of nice shiny new super cars that have been stacked driving out of the dealers by folk eager to test their new toys abilities.

I have put a few of them in ambulances as a result.

Ferodo are talking about track brakes at speeds that are not legal on roads in this country.

It's your car and your life but I would not recommend what you suggest on a road.

ps. you didn't post paragraph 3 of the Ferodo web page?

3. Brake, brake, brake. Though gentle braking is better than heavy braking, more braking is better than less. For up to the first 200 miles, every time the brake pads make contact with the discs, it increases the contact surface area between the two, which leads to better braking in the long-term. So you should remind your customers to brake lightly, but brake often, for the first 200 miles after new pads have been fitted.

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Let's just remember what we're talking about here, braking in a straight line!
These crashes that you've been unfortunate to witness, guess they weren't braking in a straight line, but driving like fools too fast for the conditions or too fast for the road. Please don't move the goal posts 👍🏻
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Wil wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:24 pm Also, what does everyone think of the brakes? They felt pretty average to me on my drive home, but I’ve only done 20 miles, so they will probably improve with a bit of bedding in. I hope so anyway.
Your opening post has obviously generated a lot of heat (excuse the pun :D ) but by now your brakes should have settled in and you should be happy with the performance. Both Mercedes and Porsche brake systems have fairly long pedal travel. The Macan system is heavily servoed so stopping from medium to low speeds only requires a fairly small application. In the (thankfully) few occasions I've had to do a hard stop I always end up looking in the rear view mirror. I have absolute confidence I will stop short of the obstruction in front but don't know if the car behind me can.
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Nelladrahcir wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:47 am Rarecolour,

I could post numerous pictures of nice shiny new super cars that have been stacked driving out of the dealers by folk eager to test their new toys abilities.

I have put a few of them in ambulances as a result.

Ferodo are talking about track brakes at speeds that are not legal on roads in this country.

It's your car and your life but I would not recommend what you suggest on a road.

ps. you didn't post paragraph 3 of the Ferodo web page?

3. Brake, brake, brake. Though gentle braking is better than heavy braking, more braking is better than less. For up to the first 200 miles, every time the brake pads make contact with the discs, it increases the contact surface area between the two, which leads to better braking in the long-term. So you should remind your customers to brake lightly, but brake often, for the first 200 miles after new pads have been fitted.

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The stacked supercars are due to the tyre not the brakes.....the tyres will still have the release agent in them which make them as slippery AF

I run pagids on my Lotus - have always followed the run in process as posted by rarecolour and have neither died or had brake problems ever - which is quite handy when you are braking from c150mph on the Hangar/Kemel straight with a relatively big braking zone at the end....

I'll keep out of the Ceramic vs Steel (or technically iron.......) brake debate as I know nothing about that...
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That's on the track, Tracky!

I'm all for balls out when and where safe, just not on the road.

(And no disrespect meant to you Rarecolour btw)
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Nelladrahcir wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:50 am That's on the track, Tracky!

I'm all for balls out when and where safe, just not on the road.

(And no disrespect meant to you Rarecolour btw)
Not necessarily - well the bedding in from 70 to 20 bit - the 150 I only do at 9am past schools

In the right place - down here in the south anyway - it is quite safe to do such a processes

In fact one of my friends with the same car as me and who also uses the same mechanic as me, received a letter from the police for allegedly driving erratically whilst doing this bedding in process (the car was with the mechanic, not him)

Our mechanic went back to the police and explained what he was doing and they came back and apologised and said it must have just been some busy body that reported him !
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The Ferodo information was posted to support Rarecolour's argument. Unfortunately it doesn't, it recommends braking from 50mph to 20mph.

One of the basic laws of physics is E=M(C squared) where E is energy, M= Mass and C=velocity. So a mass (in this case a Macan) travelling at 70mph has 400 times the kinetic energy as one travelling at 50mph. The brakes use friction to convert this energy into heat. Ferodo warn that excessive heat can cause irreversible changes to the pad material.

Rarecolour would seem to be right about the initial bedding in but wrong about the speeds involved.
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Nelladrahcir wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:50 am That's on the track, Tracky!

I'm all for balls out when and where safe, just not on the road.

(And no disrespect meant to you Rarecolour btw)
I have broad shoulders, I take no offence or disrespect.
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On-Track wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:44 am The Ferodo information was posted to support Rarecolour's argument. Unfortunately it doesn't, it recommends braking from 50mph to 20mph.

One of the basic laws of physics is E=M(C squared) where E is energy, M= Mass and C=velocity. So a mass (in this case a Macan) travelling at 70mph has 400 times the kinetic energy as one travelling at 50mph. The brakes use friction to convert this energy into heat. Ferodo warn that excessive heat can cause irreversible changes to the pad material.

Rarecolour would seem to be right about the initial bedding in but wrong about the speeds involved.

Yeah, I may have been 20 mph out, but I and MANY others I know do the same procedure as me and we're still here to talk about it.
Just to add, I don't think I told anyone to do it like this, I said this is what I did. (Will have to go back and check my post)

To be on the safe side, fellow Porsche owners or soon to be Porsche owners, please drive within YOUR limits and within the limits of the surrounding areas. I obviously wouldn't be doing this bedding in style anywhere other than where it is safe to do so.

And I have done and do drive over the limits, but can honestly say, not in residential areas.
I have grown up with parents who were in the Police force who have been both Specialists in driving and riding. Yeah, heard the stories and don't really want to be a statistic.
Seen plenty a dork racing around in the snow here this morning while going out for my nosey walk around.

Tl;dr
All's cool, do 50-20 moh if you want. Or, just drive as you fancy.
Be safe everyone.
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