Vehicle Security - Theft Methods Deployed By Thieves

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Theft of keyless vehicles increasing:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rfolk.html
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The articles are a bit confusing because they point to key less fobs but all new cars have a key less fob to unlock the car but not all have keyless start (no ignition key).
Therefore if you have a key to put into the ignition and start the car (which comes as standard in Porsche) then you should be ok..I think/hope.
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JBA wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:42 am The articles are a bit confusing because they point to key less fobs but all new cars have a key less fob to unlock the car but not all have keyless start (no ignition key).
Therefore if you have a key to put into the ignition and start the car (which comes as standard in Porsche) then you should be ok..I think/hope.
Sadly not. Relay theft is the latest method used to steal vehicles with keyless entry. It works by using a receiver / transmitter device to pick up the key signal, amplify it and transmit to the vehicle fooling the car into believing the key is present.

Prior to this and still a massive issue is OBD Port intrusion. This works by using a device, now commonly available, to program a new key to the vehicle. This is can be achieved in less than a minute and does not require the original vehicle key.

Before this technology existed criminals would burgle homes or commit robbery in order to gain access to the key as vehicle security was sufficient enough to overcome the previous methods used to breach the vehicle. Not anymore.

Check out this statement in the options menu for Porsche Entry & Drive:

“However, it cannot be completely ruled out that the key´s wireless encryption code is intercepted and used to open or steal the vehicle”
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Bazza06 wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:05 pm
JBA wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:42 am The articles are a bit confusing because they point to key less fobs but all new cars have a key less fob to unlock the car but not all have keyless start (no ignition key).
Therefore if you have a key to put into the ignition and start the car (which comes as standard in Porsche) then you should be ok..I think/hope.
Sadly not. Relay theft is the latest method used to steal vehicles with keyless entry. It works by using a receiver / transmitter device to pick up the key signal, amplify it and transmit to the vehicle fooling the car into believing the key is present.

Prior to this and still a massive issue is OBD Port intrusion. This works by using a device, now commonly available, to program a new key to the vehicle. This is can be achieved in less than a minute and does not require the original vehicle key.

Before this technology existed criminals would burgle homes or commit robbery in order to gain access to the key as vehicle security was sufficient enough to overcome the previous methods used to breach the vehicle. Not anymore.

Check out this statement in the options menu for Porsche Entry & Drive:

“However, it cannot be completely ruled out that the key´s wireless encryption code is intercepted and used to open or steal the vehicle”
So do you have or advocate an OBD port locking device on cars? Are they any use in preventing theft of a car that doesn't have the keyless entry?
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Ian.g wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:11 pm
Bazza06 wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:05 pm
JBA wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:42 am The articles are a bit confusing because they point to key less fobs but all new cars have a key less fob to unlock the car but not all have keyless start (no ignition key).
Therefore if you have a key to put into the ignition and start the car (which comes as standard in Porsche) then you should be ok..I think/hope.
Sadly not. Relay theft is the latest method used to steal vehicles with keyless entry. It works by using a receiver / transmitter device to pick up the key signal, amplify it and transmit to the vehicle fooling the car into believing the key is present.

Prior to this and still a massive issue is OBD Port intrusion. This works by using a device, now commonly available, to program a new key to the vehicle. This is can be achieved in less than a minute and does not require the original vehicle key.

Before this technology existed criminals would burgle homes or commit robbery in order to gain access to the key as vehicle security was sufficient enough to overcome the previous methods used to breach the vehicle. Not anymore.

Check out this statement in the options menu for Porsche Entry & Drive:

“However, it cannot be completely ruled out that the key´s wireless encryption code is intercepted and used to open or steal the vehicle”
So do you have or advocate an OBD port locking device on cars? Are they any use in preventing theft of a car that doesn't have the keyless entry?
They are a big deterrent because the longer it takes to get through these devices the more likely the thieves are going to attract attention and get caught hence why steering locks are being advocated.
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There are different schools of thought around aftermarket security products.

For example, if you put a tracker on and your car is stolen you may get your car back and potentially after it’s been thrashed and crashed. If it’s repairable your insurer will insist on doing so and you’re left with it afterwards forever contemplating every rattle.

If you put a steering lock or OBD port protector on and the thieves really want your car then into your home they may come or wait until an appropriate time to carjack you.

Personally I’d let them have it and avoid the confrontation because there are many that will take people out without batting an eyelid.
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Sadly, recently family experience enables me to add to this thread.

My son's fiancé parked her '64 plate Nissan Juke in a multi storey car par in Manchester last night - I should add that she only bought the car on Monday.

Having driven straight from work and going to a concert with some friends, she left her purse and bag in the bottom of the boot, out of sight.

When she eventually came back to the car and went for her purse she saw that someone had opened the car, stolen her purse and her laptop. She called the police who said that they were aware of a gang operating in the area who had a scanner that could pick up the car key signal (when she locked the car) and duplicate it to unlock the car. Thankfully she had the car park ticket with her so the thieves (scum bags) could not get the car out of the car park.

So today has been spent making all those calls to stop credit cards, change bank accounts, apologise to the company for the theft of the laptop, etc, etc.
So when is this ‘old enough to know better’ supposed to kick in ?

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That's no different to the olden days... thieves wanted in, got in, nicked stuff...

You used to be able to get in to a car by using the metal band that wraps bricks and popping the button...tech changes for the car and the thief. More cars with more shiny stuff in them = more opportunity. Not sure it's any more prevalent than before - just better reported along with the above.

Also, I bet if she reads her info sec policy from her employer there will be a strict rule stating that laptops should not be left in a car under any circumstance - locked or not...
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Bazza

Do these scanners also pickup the lock / unlock signal from a non enter and drive car?
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