Diesel cars defy 'demonisation'

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Re: Diesel cars defy 'demonisation'

Post by johnd » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:06 am

SAC1 wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:01 am
The USA has very few VW diesels, so is this related to VW petrol vehicles?

Haven't been following the real detail but pretty sure it relates specifically to diesel - here's a quote of the first paragraph from the DoJ release:

'The former general manager of Volkswagen AG’s (VW) U.S. Environment and Engineering Office was sentenced today 84 months in prison for his role in VW’s scheme to sell diesel “clean diesel” vehicles containing software designed to cheat U.S. emissions tests.'

And the rest of the release also talks about diesels.
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Re: Diesel cars defy 'demonisation'

Post by Paul » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:22 am

johnd wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:06 am
SAC1 wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:01 am
The USA has very few VW diesels, so is this related to VW petrol vehicles?

Haven't been following the real detail but pretty sure it relates specifically to diesel - here's a quote of the first paragraph from the DoJ release:

'The former general manager of Volkswagen AG’s (VW) U.S. Environment and Engineering Office was sentenced today 84 months in prison for his role in VW’s scheme to sell diesel “clean diesel” vehicles containing software designed to cheat U.S. emissions tests.'

And the rest of the release also talks about diesels.
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Re: Diesel cars defy 'demonisation'

Post by SAC1 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:20 am

Just checked.....

" In the US where controls on NOx and particulates in exhaust emissions are tighter, diesel cars made up only 3 per cent of total sales"

and

"Diesel’s market share in the U.S., where fuel prices are traditionally much cheaper and thus exert less pressure on demand for efficient engines, is puny by comparison and pretty much always has been. While there are real differences between the North American and European markets, some might argue that the market for diesel in the U.S. was irrationally underserved, and this seems to have been Volkswagen’s assessment when it decided to roll out its big “Clean Diesel” campaign in 2008 to try to get Americans buying TDIs at closer to the rate of Europeans."


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Re: Diesel cars defy 'demonisation'

Post by Wing Commander » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:02 pm

Dandock wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:56 am
In the meantime there continues to be a serious decline in diesel sales - which for current oil owners is not good. Bearing in mind that any legal action will probably drag on - with the help of the lawyers - residuals are surely going to take a hit...

Diesel sales down 30.6% according to figures released this week. :geek:
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Re: Diesel cars defy 'demonisation'

Post by Col Lamb » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:19 pm

SAC1 wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:01 am
johnd wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:43 am
Developments in some US court proceedings:

/https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/12/0 ... gate_scam/
The USA has very few VW diesels, so is this related to VW petrol vehicles?
The USA had a lot of diesel VWs.......... QUOTE investigators in the US have found 482,000 diesel cars which were sold in America between 2008 and 2015 based on false information.
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Re: Diesel cars defy 'demonisation'

Post by Paul » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:44 pm

“based on false information”.......? not sure how this helps progress the thread...?
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Re: Diesel cars defy 'demonisation'

Post by SAC1 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:32 pm

Col Lamb wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:19 pm
SAC1 wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:01 am
johnd wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:43 am
Developments in some US court proceedings:

/https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/12/0 ... gate_scam/
The USA has very few VW diesels, so is this related to VW petrol vehicles?
The USA had a lot of diesel VWs.......... QUOTE investigators in the US have found 482,000 diesel cars which were sold in America between 2008 and 2015 based on false information.

United States Of America - total car and light commercial sales
All makes & models - sales years 2008 to 2015 = 112,122,220.

Volkswagen and Audi - all model sales years 2008 to 2015 = 3,095,276.
with a USA Market Share of 2.7%

source: http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/

So if 482,000 VAG diesels were sold, that's 15.5% of their total sales in those years.
Yet diesel sales account for just 3% of all USA passenger vehicles.


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Re: Diesel cars defy 'demonisation'

Post by CharlesElliott » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:32 pm

VW (and particularly Audi) has just started to break into the car diesel market in the US when - as has been said - previously diesel was only for trucks. The emissions issue has probably killed that permanently though.
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Re: Diesel cars defy 'demonisation'

Post by SAC1 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:40 pm

All is not what it appears with November's new car sales:

November saw another decline in new car sales - the eighth consecutive month. Overall the market was down by 11.2 per cent compared to November 2016 with another fall in diesel registrations.

However, delve a bit deeper into the figures and you'll discover that most of that decline happened in the business and fleet sectors.

In fact, private registrations only fell by a little over five per cent. Business registrations on the other fell 33.6 per cent, with fleet registrations declining 14.4 per cent.

While dealers may be concerned about sales, consumer confidence isn't as low as the mainstream media would have you believe, indeed nearly a third of consumers are planning on buying a new car next year.

The good news for consumers is that slowing sales mean buyers are in a stronger position to negotiate on new car prices and get a better deal. Indeed, with dealers worried about meeting sales quotas, there are plenty of discounts and deals around.

Once again diesel registrations fell - this time a further 30.6 per cent - but this is tied in with the fall in business and fleet sales, the vast majority of which are diesels.

The change in the VED structure in April this year also led to a large number of cars, especially diesels with low CO2 ratings, being registered in the first four months of the year to take advantage of lower annual road tax.

The Alternatively Fuelled Vehicles (AFV) sector - otherwise known as hybrid and electric cars - continued to make significant gains, growing 33.1 per cent. However, they still only make up 5.4 per cent of the UK car market.


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