Macan turbo

[Am89]

What are opinions on resale of a black Macao turbo vs a white one with identical specs ?

Seems to be a lot more white ones for reasonable prices on the classifieds...

Also are the older 14"/15" plate cars likely to take a fair hit of deprecation when the facelift is released mid 2018?

[dylankid]

The blacks seem to sell quicker but there is still a demand for white ones.

I couldn't decide between white or black then i found a white one priced very reasonably with a high spec and from Swindon OPC so with 2 year warranty on top of the 8 months left it was a no brainer for me.

In the future if i get fed up with the white i will wrap it Mexico blue with the money I saved

Dylankid
White Turbo 2015
Sports chrono
Air Sus
Sports exhaust
PTV
21inch Turbo alloys
Pan roof,
Camera front & rear
Sports design without side skirts
etc

[PSEE]

PTV+ is a must for driving in the snow!

It also makes the Macan corner like it's on rails - especially around 90 degree bends.
It's brilliant!

[Nuclear Nick]

How would PTV+ help in snow? I can't see how that would add anything to the standard car's traction control systems in low speed driving on low friction surfaces.

And the Macan corners like it's on rails without PTV+, which only really adds benefit nearer the limit, ie on a track.

[Col Lamb]

Why on earth buy PTV?

You are driving a car on the road and not on a track, it is an artificial aid that comes into use once driver skill level has been exceded.

OK so that was quite a statement, read on.

For those of you who have PEC visits in the pipeline here is some things for you to try:-
1 turn off traction control on the skid pans
2 turn off the traction control on the skid pans but this time by holding the button down for three seconds
3 turn off traction control on the circuits
4 turn off traction control on the circuits by holding down the button for three seconds

Now the Instructor will only let you do these if they are sure of your driving skill level, especially number 4.

You will then see just how much artificial driving aids take control off you and hence they give an apparent boost to your skill level.

BTW a push of the traction control button does not turn it off, it just turns it down, the 3s hold also does not turn it iff but turns it down by a considerable margin.

Remember in the older pre electronic aids 911 they were prone to swapping the rear in unskilled driver hands.

[Orangebulldog]

Why on earth buy PTV?

You are driving a car on the road and not on a track, it is an artificial aid that comes into use once driver skill level exceded

Exactly. That’s why it’s the first option I ticked. It will save your butt when you can’t anymore yourself or in situations of unexpected low grip. I’d rather pay 1000 euros for the option than wrecking the car or worse, suffer personnal injury. Plus: it makes it quite easy to keep the car in a controlled slip around corners .

[PSEE]

How would PTV+ help in snow? I can't see how that would add anything to the standard car's traction control systems in low speed driving on low friction surfaces.

And the Macan corners like it's on rails without PTV+, which only really adds benefit nearer the limit, ie on a track.

Hope this helps...


This is taken from an Excellence article referenced from the macanforum thread (page 5 or 6) at the following URL:

http://www.macanforum.com/forum/engine- ... inter.html


Porsche Torque Vectoring & Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus (PTV & PTV Plus)

911 Carrera: $1,320 (PTV) & $1,490 (PTV Plus)
911 Carrera S: $1,320 (PTV) & $1,490 (PTV Plus)
Boxster & Boxster S: $1,320 (PTV)
Cayman & Cayman S: $1,320 (PTV)
Cayenne models: $1,490 (PTV Plus)
Panamera models: $5,000 (PTV Plus only offered in conjunction with PDCC)*

Why don’t we hear about limited-slip differentials in new Porsches anymore? Because torque-vectoring systems have taken over. A limited-slip diff responds to wheel slip and transfers torque to the driven wheel with more traction (in a turn, for example, torque is transferred from inside wheel
to outside wheel); a torque vectoring system does this as well, but also brakes the inside rear wheel as soon as you drive into a corner, helping to initiate turn-in. This results in crisp corner entry and stable corner exit with little or no unwanted understeer or oversteer. A Porsche ordered without
the PTV or PTV Plus options will have an open differential, which does not transfer torque to the driven wheel with more traction, decreasing the car’s traction and stability.

The main difference between PTV and PTV Plus is a matter of mechanical versus electronic operation of the differential lock. Because PTV Plus has
an electronically operated diff lock, its torque distribution is infinitely variable and, consequently, more dynamically capable than PTV, which relies
on a mechanical limited-slip differential. Our experiences with torque vectoring all have been positive because it significantly enhances handling – but you may not notice the difference it makes unless you’ve driven the same car without it.

[Paul]

^^
All understood and appreciated, but I can’t help wondering how many of us would (and could) ever appreciate this under normal UK road circumstances?

[Nuclear Nick]

How would PTV+ help in snow? I can't see how that would add anything to the standard car's traction control systems in low speed driving on low friction surfaces.

And the Macan corners like it's on rails without PTV+, which only really adds benefit nearer the limit, ie on a track.

Hope this helps...


This is taken from an Excellence article referenced from the macanforum thread (page 5 or 6) at the following URL:

http://www.macanforum.com/forum/engine- ... inter.html


Porsche Torque Vectoring & Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus (PTV & PTV Plus)

911 Carrera: $1,320 (PTV) & $1,490 (PTV Plus)
911 Carrera S: $1,320 (PTV) & $1,490 (PTV Plus)
Boxster & Boxster S: $1,320 (PTV)
Cayman & Cayman S: $1,320 (PTV)
Cayenne models: $1,490 (PTV Plus)
Panamera models: $5,000 (PTV Plus only offered in conjunction with PDCC)*

Why don’t we hear about limited-slip differentials in new Porsches anymore? Because torque-vectoring systems have taken over. A limited-slip diff responds to wheel slip and transfers torque to the driven wheel with more traction (in a turn, for example, torque is transferred from inside wheel
to outside wheel); a torque vectoring system does this as well, but also brakes the inside rear wheel as soon as you drive into a corner, helping to initiate turn-in. This results in crisp corner entry and stable corner exit with little or no unwanted understeer or oversteer. A Porsche ordered without
the PTV or PTV Plus options will have an open differential, which does not transfer torque to the driven wheel with more traction, decreasing the car’s traction and stability.

The main difference between PTV and PTV Plus is a matter of mechanical versus electronic operation of the differential lock. Because PTV Plus has
an electronically operated diff lock, its torque distribution is infinitely variable and, consequently, more dynamically capable than PTV, which relies
on a mechanical limited-slip differential. Our experiences with torque vectoring all have been positive because it significantly enhances handling – but you may not notice the difference it makes unless you’ve driven the same car without it.

I think what you were experiencing in the snow was the standard traction control system doing its job. The system comprises:

Porsche Traction Management (PTM): active all-wheel drive with electronic controlled, map-controlled multi-plate clutch, automatic limited-slip differential (ABD) and traction-slip control (ASR)

ABD and ASR act in a similar way to a limited slip differential in that they prevent slip in the wheel(s) with less grip thus diverting power to those that do. This is particularly beneficial, and most noticeable, in low speed, low traction conditions.

PTV+ is aimed more at steering precision in cornering, particularly at higher speeds.

[Orangebulldog]

How would PTV+ help in snow? I can't see how that would add anything to the standard car's traction control systems in low speed driving on low friction surfaces.

And the Macan corners like it's on rails without PTV+, which only really adds benefit nearer the limit, ie on a track.

Hope this helps...


This is taken from an Excellence article referenced from the macanforum thread (page 5 or 6) at the following URL:

http://www.macanforum.com/forum/engine- ... inter.html


Porsche Torque Vectoring & Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus (PTV & PTV Plus)

911 Carrera: $1,320 (PTV) & $1,490 (PTV Plus)
911 Carrera S: $1,320 (PTV) & $1,490 (PTV Plus)
Boxster & Boxster S: $1,320 (PTV)
Cayman & Cayman S: $1,320 (PTV)
Cayenne models: $1,490 (PTV Plus)
Panamera models: $5,000 (PTV Plus only offered in conjunction with PDCC)*

Why don’t we hear about limited-slip differentials in new Porsches anymore? Because torque-vectoring systems have taken over. A limited-slip diff responds to wheel slip and transfers torque to the driven wheel with more traction (in a turn, for example, torque is transferred from inside wheel
to outside wheel); a torque vectoring system does this as well, but also brakes the inside rear wheel as soon as you drive into a corner, helping to initiate turn-in. This results in crisp corner entry and stable corner exit with little or no unwanted understeer or oversteer. A Porsche ordered without
the PTV or PTV Plus options will have an open differential, which does not transfer torque to the driven wheel with more traction, decreasing the car’s traction and stability.

The main difference between PTV and PTV Plus is a matter of mechanical versus electronic operation of the differential lock. Because PTV Plus has
an electronically operated diff lock, its torque distribution is infinitely variable and, consequently, more dynamically capable than PTV, which relies
on a mechanical limited-slip differential. Our experiences with torque vectoring all have been positive because it significantly enhances handling – but you may not notice the difference it makes unless you’ve driven the same car without it.

I think what you were experiencing in the snow was the standard traction control system doing its job. The system comprises:

Porsche Traction Management (PTM): active all-wheel drive with electronic controlled, map-controlled multi-plate clutch, automatic limited-slip differential (ABD) and traction-slip control (ASR)

ABD and ASR act in a similar way to a limited slip differential in that they prevent slip in the wheel(s) with less grip thus diverting power to those that do. This is particularly beneficial, and most noticeable, in low speed, low traction conditions.

PTV+ is aimed more at steering precision in cornering, particularly at higher speeds.

As standard the macan only has a differential between the front and rear axle. If you want a rear differential between the rear left and rear right wheels, you have to spec PTV+ which includes this electronically controlled differential as well as the brakes being applied on the inner rear wheel when needed to swing the car around corners as it where. You can see it underneeth on the picture attached.