Thinking of changing to a McLaren 570S

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Hi Simon - thanks - clearly in a 570S, rear seats are not even a consideration but if I was going to have a 911 then it would make sense to have the capability to use the back given I have 9 year old twins. I didn’t know that the T could have rear seats so that’s something to watch out for! Clearly they are different cars in different price brackets but if I went for a 911, I would want one with the ability to use back seats.
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^^^ I think the 2+2 set up is part of the iconic history of the 911.

I think having the option of carrying back seat passengers is all part of the 911 ethos and gives useful practicality & flexibility.

Luckily Carrera, T, Carrera S, GTS, Turbo and Turbo S all offer back seats. :)

P.S. Regarding your twins, the 911 should be useful for a while, as I regularly have my girlfriend’s 14 year old son in the back (he’s 5’ 10”) when we take him to his Sunday football matches. ⚽️
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I really like the Maclaren 570s but if I had to choose between that and the new 992 C4S I'd take the Porsche. Unhappily, it's not a problem I have to wrestle with :D :lol:
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Sorry - late to the party.

I had a 650 Spider for nearly a year and have driven the 570S on its launch at Millbrook and borrowed one for the weekend before deciding to go 650S route...650 for me was a no brainer, faster and yet more comfortable with its much more sophisticated suspension and a more pleasant cabin for me. As to the drive of the 570S, it really is still excellent. The 650 was in many ways the best car I have owned - purely from a driver engagement, driver enjoyment and general feel-good factor when driving.

However, I would never own another McLaren no matter how good the drive / looks / feeling. For me the memories are similar to when I owned TVRs in the early 2000s (including a Cerbera 450 which was the most dramatic car I have had)...after sales, reliability, and general hassle factor is off the chart vs a "normal" premium car like Porsche or Ferrari. In the space of a 6 month period, the windscreen split due to "high summer temperatures", the battery failed (which then involves a long winded and painful process to get the scissor doors open) and the suspension developed a leak. Had to get these fixed at Bristol as Ascot refused to help as didn't buy the car directly from them.

For me, no matter how good the car might be, I cannot be bothered to be constantly worried that it has a higher than normal chance of being off the road and then a good chance that any repairs / fixes will take months to sort, even if under warranty. Maybe that would be different if it was one out of many cars but I can only justify running 1 or 2 at a time.
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Thanks for your thoughts, Virage. Sounds like a nightmare
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Post by CharlesElliott »

Reliability stories are mixed, but it seems to improve with each production run and each model. Certainly the gearboxes were a problem at one time, but the same gearbox in the later cars seems fine.
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I don’t know anyone “normal” (and there I mean who doesn’t have a fleet) who has bought a second one. It’s the after sales care and service which kill it.

I guess the flip side it this reflects in the resale values. The fact that you can buy a 570S for £105,000 and the fact that McLaren dealers have to work to ideally a £20,000 spread given their low volume means that trade they are massively cheaper than any Porsche GT, Ferrari, Lamborghini etc so if you got a good deal, you do get a lot for your money if you are prepared to take the risk.
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CharlesElliott wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:08 pm Hi Simon - thanks - clearly in a 570S, rear seats are not even a consideration but if I was going to have a 911 then it would make sense to have the capability to use the back given I have 9 year old twins. I didn’t know that the T could have rear seats so that’s something to watch out for! Clearly they are different cars in different price brackets but if I went for a 911, I would want one with the ability to use back seats.
I've regularly done the school run and day trips out with our two girls (now aged 9 and 6) in various 911s. The rear seats are almost ideal for that sort of age group. Also when not in use the folded rear seats make a useful flat luggage rack. It really doesn't make sense to get a 911 without rear seats, given that the whole rear engine layout was designed around making it a genuine 2+2.
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Post by RAA »

And then there is the chance of a McLaren bursting into flames - look up Salomondrin's video clips on YouTube of when his McLaren 'Senna' caught fire a couple of weeks ago !
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I see that Top 555 have at least three used McLarens for sale with mileages between 700 and 2,100...

A 675LT Spider, a 720S Performance and a 570GT...
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