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So the speed limits were intended to save fuel and improve road safety. In parallel, new tech gave us better economy, lower emissions, ... airbags, softer bumpers, better brakes, tyres, roads, ... , but XX century limits stayed.

Do we really need further speed restriction because of our ageing population?

It was very hard to convince my father that he should no longer drive. Who is going to tell a retired duke — with his divine powers handed to him through the ancestry from the Aliens — that he is no longer safe on the road?

Or do we truly believe that reducing speed limit is the answer?
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Reducing speed limits is almost always NOT the answer. Evidence is already emerging that the widespread 20 mph limits are not reducing injury but in some cases have actually increased. Few collisions are caused by speed alone. Virtually all are caused by driver error, and that is down to incompetence, inattention, attitude and many other human factors. But reducing speed limits is easy and cheap for the authorities and politicians to implement so that they can be seen to be doing something.

If we really want to address the issue we will have to spend considerably more on driver education and testing, roads engineering and maintenance, and engagement of the driving population. All rather long term and expensive and this is why our politicians are so keen to introduce autonomous vehicles.
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Maybe there is a case for some form of test, after a certain age. Most of the legislation to do with driving is down to the honesty and belief of the driver themselves. Having said that, if a ball starts rolling, with regard to external examinations of whatever, there will be a cost implication, and then a whole new boomong infrastructure, to make even more money from the motorist will become the norm.
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Totally the wrong presumption to link lower speed limits to an ageing population of drivers.

It is the 17 - 24 year old drivers that have the highest rate if accidents.

Nick is totally correct, it is driver education and I would add a stiffer set of tests and even more punative punnishments for those driving without a license or insurance are also required.

That said yesterday I was in a long queue of traffic moving at 33 mph, in a 40, 50 and then a 70 zone, we were stuck behind a rather elderly gent who was driving very carefully. So yes there needs to be more work undertaken on the ability to drive but this needs to be of all ages. Those that overtook said elderly driver were doing so not in the safest manner.
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The sad thing is that most elderly drivers only stop driving when they have a bad accident. Up untill that they think they are fine on the road and everyone else is the problem.
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Col Lamb wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:20 am Totally the wrong presumption to link lower speed limits to an ageing population of drivers.

It is the 17 - 24 year old drivers that have the highest rate if accidents.

Nick is totally correct, it is driver education and I would add a stiffer set of tests and even more punative punnishments for those driving without a license or insurance are also required.

That said yesterday I was in a long queue of traffic moving at 33 mph, in a 40, 50 and then a 70 zone, we were stuck behind a rather elderly gent who was driving very carefully. So yes there needs to be more work undertaken on the ability to drive but this needs to be of all ages. Those that overtook said elderly driver were doing so not in the safest manner.
Hopefully by the time at an age when a test will be required, autonomous cars will be around and allowed to be used without driver licence so i will not lose the mobility provided by a car, just the pleasure of driving.

Totally agree about the 17 - 24 age group, I was driving along the dual carriageway part of the A259 west of Worthing yesterday. There is a section with 50 limit which changes to 70 after a roundabout. Heavy traffic in the 50 section was proceeding at 45 in the inner lane and about 50 in the outer. A girl of about age 20 in a Peugeot One weaved between the traffic from a lane to lane without signal pushing into everyone's braking distance. At the roundabout, she tried to do this moving from inner to the outer lane but a horn blast stopped her. A lot of the traffic turns off left at the roundabout and the traffic frees up. Caught in the inner lane she had no acceleration so a lot of the traffic she had "jumped" sped past her and cruises at around 70 in the inner lane. Eventually, she catches up speeding past way over the speed limit probably flat out for that Peugeot.
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To Col and pmg, I can almost certainly guarentee if you see a driver coming towards you at a slow speed on the wrong side of the road, dual carriageway or motorway, it will be a driver of some serious age. That is, if it's not a foreign driver who has momentarily forgot, they are on the wrong side.
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TheTraveller wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:22 am To Col and pmg, I can almost certainly guarentee if you see a driver coming towards you at a slow speed on the wrong side of the road, dual carriageway or motorway, it will be a driver of some serious age. That is, if it's not a foreign driver who has momentarily forgot, they are on the wrong side.
and the age of the driver coming towards you at the high speed on the wrong side of the road.....???
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Then that will probably be a young nutcase trying to outrun the cops. Which usually ends in tears for some poor innocent, road user.
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It's more likely someone staring at their phone.
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