Paul wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:12 pm
Slightly off topic is this really interesting article...but along the same lines as above a very telling phrase part way down:
“With regulators and lawmakers, rather than customers, dictating what kind of vehicles can hit the road...”
3 million EVs by 2025 which will still be only about 25% of their production.
Part of the article has written ......
A 500 km-range battery costs around $20,000, compared with a gasoline engine that costs around $5,000. Add to that another $2,000 for the electric motor and inverter, and the gap is even wider.
....
Which seems a bit odd, $20,000 for a battery pack is way different from Tesla which was only $12,000 for their battery pack.
It looks to me more like an evolution rather than a revolution.
Col
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Paul wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:12 pm
Slightly off topic is this really interesting article...but along the same lines as above a very telling phrase part way down:
“With regulators and lawmakers, rather than customers, dictating what kind of vehicles can hit the road...”
3 million EVs by 2025 which will still be only about 25% of their production.
Part of the article has written ......
A 500 km-range battery costs around $20,000, compared with a gasoline engine that costs around $5,000. Add to that another $2,000 for the electric motor and inverter, and the gap is even wider.
....
Which seems a bit odd, $20,000 for a battery pack is way different from Tesla which was only $12,000 for their battery pack.
It looks to me more like an evolution rather than a revolution.
Yes, interesting article. the only place I have seen summarised the extent the car firms are infringing the EU average ccg targets and the extra tax payments that generate. those tax penalties increase as the ccg targets get tighter and that will ultimately speed up the move to EV. At present in the UK, Ev can work reliably and conveniently for those you can charge at home and do less than 200 miles in a day. for the rest of us, the development of better support infrastructure especially in less populated areas of the country will decide the full takeup.
MikeM wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:19 pm
May not be a bad incentive when many filling stations are also now supermarkets " simply food et al " can do your weekly shop and charge your car at the same time! Queuing is okay we are British
No need to queue to pay for fuel at the participating Esso stations. I pay through their Esso App on the smart phone.
Shell and others probably have similar arrangements which I did not explore yet.
Just downloaded 3 of these Apps and note that Esso set a maximum £100 fill limit, BP I haven't spotted their limit yet but Shell are limited to £30?
Who puts £30 of fuel in at a time? That would entail trebling my (already hated) fuel station visits.
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MikeM wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:19 pm
May not be a bad incentive when many filling stations are also now supermarkets " simply food et al " can do your weekly shop and charge your car at the same time! Queuing is okay we are British
No need to queue to pay for fuel at the participating Esso stations. I pay through their Esso App on the smart phone.
Shell and others probably have similar arrangements which I did not explore yet.
Just downloaded 3 of these Apps and note that Esso set a maximum £100 fill limit, BP I haven't spotted their limit yet but Shell are limited to £30?
Who puts £30 of fuel in at a time? That would entail trebling my (already hated) fuel station visits.
Col Lamb wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:07 pm
Saw the first ad on TV today by BP saying that they are putting EV chargers in their filling stations.
My local Esso was just re-vamped as BP. They've managed to squeeze in M&S Simply Food, Cashpoint, Jet-wash, WCs, Wild Bean Café, a small Subway, a variety of fuels at the eight pumps (Ultimate Diesel, Ultimate Unleaded, Diesel 'On' etc).
No sign of electric vehicle charging! Is this a Shropshire thing?
Col Lamb wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:07 pm
Saw the first ad on TV today by BP saying that they are putting EV chargers in their filling stations.
My local Esso was just re-vamped as BP. They've managed to squeeze in M&S Simply Food, Cashpoint, Jet-wash, WCs, Wild Bean Café, a small Subway, a variety of fuels at the eight pumps (Ultimate Diesel, Ultimate Unleaded, Diesel 'On' etc).
No sign of electric vehicle charging! Is this a Shropshire thing?
No. A new BP site near me has all the facilities you mention, except the ATM and Subway, but no EV charging. A brand new Shell site, 2 miles away opened today and incorporates a Budgens etc has no EV points either.
Steve
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Paul wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:12 pm
Slightly off topic is this really interesting article...but along the same lines as above a very telling phrase part way down:
“With regulators and lawmakers, rather than customers, dictating what kind of vehicles can hit the road...”
Interesting report indeed. But I would ignore anything "Deloitte analysts" have to say as their reports on EVs have consistently been to the standard of a primary school KS2 project (one that was started at 9 pm the day before it had to be handed in). Seriously, they either don't understand EVs or they have an hidden agenda. Probably both!