Not keen on styling etc but now seen the sq2 coming with 296bhp/400nw (same 2.0l turbo engine) - seems like Porsche are getting left behind by their stablemates / sibling. Macan also presumably heavier ?
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SQ2 - 4.8sec from 0-100km/h. That is shifting!rileyn wrote:Not keen on styling etc but now seen the sq2 coming with 296bhp/400nw (same 2.0l turbo engine) - seems like Porsche are getting left behind by their stablemates / sibling. Macan also presumably heavier ?
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new Macan S listed 0-62 (mph) in 5.1 sec so not over impressed with 4.8 sec, or am I missing something ?Pivot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:12 pmSQ2 - 4.8sec from 0-100km/h. That is shifting!rileyn wrote:Not keen on styling etc but now seen the sq2 coming with 296bhp/400nw (same 2.0l turbo engine) - seems like Porsche are getting left behind by their stablemates / sibling. Macan also presumably heavier ?
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To me the issue is Porsche Vs Audi, yet Audi have the quicker car??Ray G wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:50 pmnew Macan S listed 0-62 (mph) in 5.1 sec so not over impressed with 4.8 sec, or am I missing something ?Pivot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:12 pmSQ2 - 4.8sec from 0-100km/h. That is shifting!rileyn wrote:Not keen on styling etc but now seen the sq2 coming with 296bhp/400nw (same 2.0l turbo engine) - seems like Porsche are getting left behind by their stablemates / sibling. Macan also presumably heavier ?
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I can't help feeling that Porsche are getting left behind and it's getting harder to justify the price tag.
It'a question of what the comparison is though, surely? Porsche make only two kinds of car - 2-seater sports cars and large or very large 4+ seater SUVs and saloons.
So you can reasonably compare Macan to SQ5 for instance - I suspect most here would still take Macan over SQ5 whatever the price/performance figures. But there is no comparator for eg Q2 or Q3 sized 4-seater vehicles - Porsche don't make cars in that space (sadly, for my preferences). And Porsche are probably missing out on a potentially large market sector as a result. VW group has of course long had a reasonably potent and proven (300+ bhp) 2l engine. Stick that in a Q2/Q3 sized car and you're bound to have strong performance and appeal. If only it were a Porsche!
If we look at what Porsche produce:-johnd wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:33 amIt'a question of what the comparison is though, surely? Porsche make only two kinds of car - 2-seater sports cars and large or very large 4+ seater SUVs and saloons.
So you can reasonably compare Macan to SQ5 for instance - I suspect most here would still take Macan over SQ5 whatever the price/performance figures. But there is no comparator for eg Q2 or Q3 sized 4-seater vehicles - Porsche don't make cars in that space (sadly, for my preferences). And Porsche are probably missing out on a potentially large market sector as a result. VW group has of course long had a reasonably potent and proven (300+ bhp) 2l engine. Stick that in a Q2/Q3 sized car and you're bound to have strong performance and appeal. If only it were a Porsche!
2 sports cars and variants.
1 saloon and variants.
2 SUVs and variants.
Then look at what else is produced within the VW group and there is a lot of overlap.
Personally I would like a smaller version of the Macan, cQ3 sized. But a performance Audi SUV then I would not be interested in that as a performance vehicle imho needs to be designed from the tarmac up and not a general family SUV buggered around with to produce a hot version. I had a Q3 as a stop gap, it was OK around town but get it on the motorway and it was not stable, it twitched, was affected each time I passed a HGV and was very badly affected by poor road surfaces. Whatdo Audi do withtheir SQ models, lower the suspension, stick on hard dampers, bang in a big engine and thats it, hardly cutting edge.
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Personally I would like a smaller version of the Macan, cQ3 sized. But a performance Audi SUV then I would not be interested in that as a performance vehicle imho needs to be designed from the tarmac up and not a general family SUV buggered around with to produce a hot version. I had a Q3 as a stop gap, it was OK around town but get it on the motorway and it was not stable, it twitched, was affected each time I passed a HGV and was very badly affected by poor road surfaces. What do Audi do with their SQ models, lower the suspension, stick on hard dampers, bang in a big engine and thats it, hardly cutting edge.
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I would also be in the market for something smaller, especially if the next Macan is Etron sized and based. The Macan 4wd system is rear biassed and the Q5's front biassed. This, the suspension settings and PDK gearbox are what makes the Macan the better drivers car. From memory in the Q3 the engine is not for/aft but transverse which may not be attractive to Porsche conversion for an ICE vehicle.
Personally I would like a smaller version of the Macan, cQ3 sized. But a performance Audi SUV then I would not be interested in that as a performance vehicle imho needs to be designed from the tarmac up and not a general family SUV buggered around with to produce a hot version. I had a Q3 as a stop gap, it was OK around town but get it on the motorway and it was not stable, it twitched, was affected each time I passed a HGV and was very badly affected by poor road surfaces. What do Audi do with their SQ models, lower the suspension, stick on hard dampers, bang in a big engine and thats it, hardly cutting edge.
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I would also be in the market for something smaller, especially if the next Macan is Etron sized and based. The Macan 4wd system is rear biassed and the Q5's front biassed. This, the suspension settings and PDK gearbox are what makes the Macan the better drivers car. From memory in the Q3 the engine is not for/aft but transverse which may not be attractive to Porsche conversion for an ICE vehicle.
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Why didn't Porsche up the power on the Mk2 2.0 to say 280 bhp? That would surely have helped with marketing the car as the de facto replacement for the now defunct Macan SD. It's not as if somebody considering a V6 Macan S would look at a four cylinder 280bhp as any competition. But it would surely be a more attractive option over other marques offering more power from their 2.0 SUVsPivot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:12 pmSQ2 - 4.8sec from 0-100km/h. That is shifting!rileyn wrote:Not keen on styling etc but now seen the sq2 coming with 296bhp/400nw (same 2.0l turbo engine) - seems like Porsche are getting left behind by their stablemates / sibling. Macan also presumably heavier ?
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Who knows? Maybe it's VAGs idea of product placement relative to its other brands.Panthera wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:28 amWhy didn't Porsche up the power on the Mk2 2.0 to say 280 bhp? That would surely have helped with marketing the car as the de facto replacement for the now defunct Macan SD. It's not as if somebody considering a V6 Macan S would look at a four cylinder 280bhp as any competition. But it would surely be a more attractive option over other marques offering more power from their 2.0 SUVsPivot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:12 pmSQ2 - 4.8sec from 0-100km/h. That is shifting!rileyn wrote:Not keen on styling etc but now seen the sq2 coming with 296bhp/400nw (same 2.0l turbo engine) - seems like Porsche are getting left behind by their stablemates / sibling. Macan also presumably heavier ?
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But possibly you are thinking of the older Audi models here to some extent. I've had a first extended test-drive in the new Q3 and it's a big step forwards from the previous version in many respects. And people say that the latest S/RS models are also a real advance on the older ones in terms of suspension engineering. Don't disagree at all with the thrust of your comment, ie Porsche do a ground-up rear-biased full redesign whereas Audi stick with a more incremental version of their basic front-biased models. But I suspect that any potential comparison may well come out significantly closer than has been true in the past.Col Lamb wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:01 am I had a Q3 as a stop gap, it was OK around town but get it on the motorway and it was not stable, it twitched, was affected each time I passed a HGV and was very badly affected by poor road surfaces. What do Audi do with their SQ models, lower the suspension, stick on hard dampers, bang in a big engine and thats it, hardly cutting edge.
