Hmm, but what's going to happen for ICE cars when petrol and diesel filling stations get thinner and thinner on the ground - there's quite a few marginal stations around already, not necessarily in London, but in more rural parts. Guess everyone will need to resort to GasMap and hope the stations are still open evenings/weekends/Bank Holidays etc? Where I live in East Cambs, we're down to 3 stations now despite the town growing by maybe 50% to 25, 000 or so in the past 20 years and there's something like a 15-20 mile gap to the next station northbound on the A10.
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Agree. I travel through Mid Wales annually at least and the gap between stations providing 98+ octane petrol can be about 90 milesjohnd wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:57 pmHmm, but what's going to happen for ICE cars when petrol and diesel filling stations get thinner and thinner on the ground - there's quite a few marginal stations around already, not necessarily in London, but in more rural parts. Guess everyone will need to resort to GasMap and hope the stations are still open evenings/weekends/Bank Holidays etc? Where I live in East Cambs, we're down to 3 stations now despite the town growing by maybe 50% to 25, 000 or so in the past 20 years and there's something like a 15-20 mile gap to the next station northbound on the A10.
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It's the reverse where I live in rural Somerset. Two brand new petrol sites have opened in the last 12 months within 2 miles of each other. Both adjacent to A-roads, but not in towns. One is BP / M&S Food / Starbucks and the other is Shell / Budgens / Subway. Both multiple petrol and diesel pumps. But not a single electric charge point!johnd wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:57 pmHmm, but what's going to happen for ICE cars when petrol and diesel filling stations get thinner and thinner on the ground - there's quite a few marginal stations around already, not necessarily in London, but in more rural parts. Guess everyone will need to resort to GasMap and hope the stations are still open evenings/weekends/Bank Holidays etc? Where I live in East Cambs, we're down to 3 stations now despite the town growing by maybe 50% to 25, 000 or so in the past 20 years and there's something like a 15-20 mile gap to the next station northbound on the A10.
There are a further 7 x established petrol stations within a 6 mile radius - none with an EV charge point.
6 of the 9 stations sell premium grade fuel.
If you want to recharge an EV there is one charge point in a Morrisons' car park 4 miles away. That one always has non-charging cars parked in it. There is another one tucked away in the back of that town's main car park, but that usually has an "out of order" sign on it.
Steve
2020 GTS in Sapphire Blue
(sold) 2017 SD in Rhodium Silver
2020 GTS in Sapphire Blue
(sold) 2017 SD in Rhodium Silver
You obviously live in a favoured part of the country. But it's not typical in parts of East Anglia, such as Norfolk. There are stations right now of course, but they can be quite widely spaced and some of the small privately-run ones don't keep long hours and are really quite expensive.
[Not wishing to start a long thread on this, but just pointing out that in 5-10 years time, the density of fossil filling stations vs EV chargers could well be reversed from the present situation. The times they definitely are a changin', as Bob Dylan once almost remarked, though possibly not in the context of looking forwards to mass adoption of EVs.]
Nothing beats having your own home charging station. I only have to think about charging on the road when I'm 150+ miles from home and the Tesla charging network is very efficient. There are still areas where it would be a bit of a challenge, but not along the M40 and M1 corridors. Tesla destination chargers are cool too. I often end up getting a free charge while stopping off for a meal. Superchargers are all free too.
Basically anyone with a garage or driveway who doesn't drive 400 miles from home along obscure routes would find a long range EV much more convenient on a daily basis. I've owned dozens of ICE cars to make that comparison and it is now a no-brainer to choose an EV. I'm betting loads of people will come to realise this in the next couple of years.
Basically anyone with a garage or driveway who doesn't drive 400 miles from home along obscure routes would find a long range EV much more convenient on a daily basis. I've owned dozens of ICE cars to make that comparison and it is now a no-brainer to choose an EV. I'm betting loads of people will come to realise this in the next couple of years.
Tesla shiowrooms don't typically have chargers, although there are some at Tesla Heathrow. I've never had trouble charging in London. There are plenty of superchargers at various sites dotted around the city, so not sure what your mate is talking about.Dandock wrote: ↑ Nowhere to charge, he says - even the Tesla showroom is without.
What if you cannot have a home charger. My nearest Tesla supercharger is at the M5 Gordano Services which is 75 minutes / 41 miles away.Peteski wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:07 amTesla shiowrooms don't typically have chargers, although there are some at Tesla Heathrow. I've never had trouble charging in London. There are plenty of superchargers at various sites dotted around the city, so not sure what your mate is talking about.Dandock wrote: ↑ Nowhere to charge, he says - even the Tesla showroom is without.
The nearest Destination charger is 23 minutes / 11 miles away in an obscure farm accommodation location:
" 2 Tesla Connectors, up to 6kW. Available for customers. Please see front desk."
Indeed not many at all within a 30 miles radius: it's a real chicken & egg situation....will the rate of EV charger installs ever match the predicted growth in EV cars and vans?
Steve
2020 GTS in Sapphire Blue
(sold) 2017 SD in Rhodium Silver
2020 GTS in Sapphire Blue
(sold) 2017 SD in Rhodium Silver
I know he’s specifically talking about late at night but he’s a good, knowledgeable, intelligent and pragmatic guy so I’ve no reason to doubt him.Peteski wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:07 amTesla shiowrooms don't typically have chargers, although there are some at Tesla Heathrow. I've never had trouble charging in London. There are plenty of superchargers at various sites dotted around the city, so not sure what your mate is talking about.Dandock wrote: ↑ Nowhere to charge, he says - even the Tesla showroom is without.
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The other major issue that has been predicted but is only just being discussed with the rise of EVs is the reduction in the taxation take. Cheap charging simply cannot be sustainable.
VG Petrol S http://www.porsche-code.com/PHIVCQU7 And a GT3 RS... by Lego! Not crash-tested!
TBH I think that governments have been well aware of this for a long time and it has been widely discussed in EV circles. The general consensus seems to be that the financial incentive to go EV will remain unchanged for some substantial time (though the EV grant may well vanish soon) to encourage EV take-up. And in perhaps 5-10 years time general road pricing will take over from fuel duty, which will put EV and fossil cars on an equal footing.
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