New Macan Out in 2021

[SAC1]

I don't do finance - cash is king as a private buyer.

There are always exceptions. For example Sandero from £6,125 v Zoe from £21,920. Which would the least expensive in whole life costs.

[Dandock]

The difference in RRP between a premium model BEV and and an equivalent premium model ICE car today is so large.

As an example, Jaguar is a company that produces both. Their base prices are - i-Pace £64,4495 and F-Pace 3.0d £52,290. So you get somewhere in the region of 65,000 miles of diesel use for free even with the higher annual road tax. Depreciation is predicted to be at a similar level for both. The ICE car is a lot cheaper to insure and there is no range anxiety.

How expensive is an F-Pace with similar performance to the I-Pace? But anyway I always thought the I-Pace was pretty expensive. I pay roughly the same monthly PCP on my Model X, which was actually considerably cheaper than a Volvo XC90 T8 or hybrid Cayenne. Finance was a LOT cheaper (1.5% APR) and the GMFV higher, which more than offset the higher list price. Finance is much more expensive now, but you do get the stellar performance level for similar money.

Then you look at a fully loaded Model 3P at £50k, which looks good value next to a BMW M3 or any other mid sized super-saloon. Add in the running costs, BIK etc and the EVs are now way cheaper. It's a rapidly changing landscape.

Which all sounds very appealing - however I still couldn’t live with that facia. At all. Sorry.

[Dandock]

But good news if you can wait a year or so - according to Oliver Blume.

https://www.teslarati.com/porsche-taycan-tesla-elon-musk-1k-km-ev-10-years/

[Deleted User 1874]

Which all sounds very appealing - however I still couldn’t live with that facia. At all. Sorry.

To be honest I get the distinct impression you are not in the target demographic for a Tesla. But that wasn't really my point I.e. I don't think you necessarily have to pay a premium for an EV like you did 5 years ago. Cars like the Model 3 are now priced very competitively against their ICE counterparts. As a company car they are going to work out a lot cheaper, as people are starting to realise. I expect a lot of trendy young execs will be switching from their Audis and BMWs over the next year. Well it's happening right now actually.

[Dandock]

Which all sounds very appealing - however I still couldn’t live with that facia. At all. Sorry.

To be honest I get the distinct impression you are not in the target demographic for a Tesla. But that wasn't really my point I.e. I don't think you necessarily have to pay a premium for an EV like you did 5 years ago. Cars like the Model 3 are now priced very competitively against their ICE counterparts. As a company car they are going to work out a lot cheaper, as people are starting to realise. I expect a lot of trendy young execs will be switching from their Audis and BMWs over the next year. Well it's happening right now actually.

You’re partially correct. I’m not a trendy young exec but I do understand what you’re saying re the maths. I’m quite open, though, to the concept and albeit we don’t having facilities I do understand the idea of local rapid charging as a substitute to my local petrol stop.

[bennachie]

Me too - open that is (and it would suit me down to the ground) BUT the premium for the type of vehicle I would like/want is massive currently and I cant see it changing anytime soon........
Used Tesla fairly cheap three years old but the cabins dont appear to wear that well compared with 'the germans' and a three year old Leaf is cheap as chips - for a reason - the range has dropped to about 50!......................................metres in some cases

[Dandock]

Tesla shiowrooms don't typically have chargers, although there are some at Tesla Heathrow. I've never had trouble charging in London. There are plenty of superchargers at various sites dotted around the city, so not sure what your mate is talking about.

I know he’s specifically talking about late at night but he’s a good, knowledgeable, intelligent and pragmatic guy so I’ve no reason to doubt him.

Superchargers are available 24/7 so late at night is not going to be a specific issue in itself. I'm just wondering why his car should have a flat battery in the first place when pottering around late at night. The only time I need Superchargers is when I'm nowhere near home or a convenient destination charger. I'm not saying he doesn't have a specific issue, but it doesn't sound like typical car usage.

Typical it probably isn't on these occasions. For example long periods waiting for meetings end and having to keep warm in the car. Winter driving with EVERYTHING on. And then an adhoc change of plan without any chance of sourcing a convenient charger.

But maybe not so untypical for reps etc. It strikes me that currently EVs are perfectly OK if you know where your going and when your coming back. But sudden deviations can cause issues - particularly in winter

And having some knowledge of the 'rep' culture I'm not sure either that the fiscal argument would win out maybe that often over model bragging rights. No one ever went broke underestimating peoples taste. A few evocative letters after a model type can do wonders for some egos. And a happy employee....

[johnd]

No-one (apart maybe from XR) is saying that on Jan 1st 2026 or some such date everyone is going to be compelled to drive an EV. As is evident from this thread, there will be some groups who'll be very resistant to the idea of running an EV, while others will be more open-minded or willing to benefit from the pros while tolerating some cons. The switchover to EVs is going to be a gradual process, though it's interesting to see how much change can happen over a 5-10 year period - it's actually quite a significant time. Cameron wasn't even PM 10 years ago IIRC.

And in terms of business cars, I'd be quite surprised if many companies don't more or less forcibly encourage the take-up of EVs, just to bolster their green credentials if nothing more.

[Cheshire Cat]

When I was in business an EV would have been totally unsuitable because of range and charging points. I would have hated to phone a customer to tell them I was charging my car and I'll be an hour late. Also, EV's can't handle the unexpected long trip. It's fine for me now but not back in the day when I almost lived in my car sometimes. Got a lot of goodies from Texaco etc.

[pmg]

As I understand it, the currently planned ICE ban applies only to pure ICE cats. Hybrid EV's are currently intended to be permitted and would be the solution for those with range/charging issues. The likes of Extension Rebellion may of course change this and hybrids do have a major weight penalty if battery anything like decent.