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Saw this in Bath yesterday. Owner clearly has worked some sort of fudge via a standard infrastructure cover. Have they employed a redundant portal? And ignoring the status of cable cover how exactly is this possible, practical and legal.

And if legal, what a great solution!
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It is quite a reasonable solution for on street charging. :D

Is there anything to stop the kids / drunks from the pub / people having a laugh .......from unplugging all the cables??
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It’s a total fudge, not practical safe or legal. Not seen one such as this before but quite a few running across pavements with the ramp cable protection. Total nightmare for the infirm, child buggies, motorised wheel chairs and any pedestrians at night. Whilst this example does free up most of the pavement the cable remains permanently at the kerbside ⁉️ If owners don’t have the means to safely protect other pedestrians whilst charging their EV’s either don’t buy it or move home. 😖
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ScotMac wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:16 am It is quite a reasonable solution for on street charging. :D

Is there anything to stop the kids / drunks from the pub / people having a laugh .......from unplugging all the cables??
Absolutely none. But no anecdotal evidence as far as I’m aware. And saw many plugged into streetlights in London recently.
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MikeM wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:23 am It’s a total fudge, not practical safe or legal. Not seen one such as this before but quite a few running across pavements with the ramp cable protection. Total nightmare for the infirm, child buggies, motorised wheel chairs and any pedestrians at night. Whilst this example does free up most of the pavement the cable remains permanently at the kerbside ⁉️ If owners don’t have the means to safely protect other pedestrians whilst charging their EV’s either don’t buy it or move home. 😖
Cables across pavements are commonplace during street repairs etc. And there’s nothing illegal about that providing they’re covered adequately - as this example appears to be. Assuming the exposure of any part of the cable is not itself a threat - trip risk etc and, in fact, no different from any established solutions like lampposts - then any ‘issues’ are solely at the discretion of the local authority.

My interest is in what’s happening underground, if you like. The cabling is, presumably, running via an old(?) but existing conduit. But how is this practically possible?
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Irrespective of legality the car owner is at risk of a trip injury claim and doubt if house insurance would cover this as the cable appears to be on a public pavement.
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Dandock wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:42 am
MikeM wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:23 am It’s a total fudge, not practical safe or legal. Not seen one such as this before but quite a few running across pavements with the ramp cable protection. Total nightmare for the infirm, child buggies, motorised wheel chairs and any pedestrians at night. Whilst this example does free up most of the pavement the cable remains permanently at the kerbside ⁉️ If owners don’t have the means to safely protect other pedestrians whilst charging their EV’s either don’t buy it or move home. 😖
Cables across pavements are commonplace during street repairs etc. And there’s nothing illegal about that providing they’re covered adequately - as this example appears to be. Assuming the exposure of any part of the cable is not itself a threat - trip risk etc and, in fact, no different from any established solutions like lampposts - then any ‘issues’ are solely at the discretion of the local authority.

My interest is in what’s happening underground, if you like. The cabling is, presumably, running via an old(?) but existing conduit. But how is this practically possible?
Street repairs would require permits, risk assessments, public liability insurance and definitive time scales. They wouldn’t be allowed to just leave cables draped across the pavement indefinitely either. They would also be required by law to follow all relevant H&S guidelines. Problem with the approach seen here is it will lead to the “that’s a good idea, I’ll have a go at that” approach, followed by lots of fried idiots. It will also be fun to see happens when his neighbours decide to park in that space, or someone else starts using his charging cable.

With regard to unplugging, I believe the cable actually locks into the car and you need to have the key with you to remove them.
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As I’ve already said my issue is not that of the cable cover. But to clear this up I quote...

“While there is obvious risk, the Local Government Association told us there is 'no legislation that it is aware of' that would make the inconsiderate placing of a charging cable illegal.”
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OmniCognateSnr wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:51 am
Dandock wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:42 am
MikeM wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:23 am It’s a total fudge, not practical safe or legal. Not seen one such as this before but quite a few running across pavements with the ramp cable protection. Total nightmare for the infirm, child buggies, motorised wheel chairs and any pedestrians at night. Whilst this example does free up most of the pavement the cable remains permanently at the kerbside ⁉️ If owners don’t have the means to safely protect other pedestrians whilst charging their EV’s either don’t buy it or move home. 😖
Cables across pavements are commonplace during street repairs etc. And there’s nothing illegal about that providing they’re covered adequately - as this example appears to be. Assuming the exposure of any part of the cable is not itself a threat - trip risk etc and, in fact, no different from any established solutions like lampposts - then any ‘issues’ are solely at the discretion of the local authority.

My interest is in what’s happening underground, if you like. The cabling is, presumably, running via an old(?) but existing conduit. But how is this practically possible?
Street repairs would require permits, risk assessments, public liability insurance and definitive time scales. They wouldn’t be allowed to just leave cables draped across the pavement indefinitely either. They would also be required by law to follow all relevant H&S guidelines. Problem with the approach seen here is it will lead to the “that’s a good idea, I’ll have a go at that” approach, followed by lots of fried idiots. It will also be fun to see happens when his neighbours decide to park in that space, or someone else starts using his charging cable.

With regard to unplugging, I believe the cable actually locks into the car and you need to have the key with you to remove them.
Re cable cover. It is not illegal. Nor does it require any particular permissions. Please see my separate post.

As regards the cable itself. It clearly has two connectors - one for the car and one for the supply. So we must presume that there’s a power connection under the street furniture. How is this possible?
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Dandock wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:42 am
MikeM wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:23 am It’s a total fudge, not practical safe or legal. Not seen one such as this before but quite a few running across pavements with the ramp cable protection. Total nightmare for the infirm, child buggies, motorised wheel chairs and any pedestrians at night. Whilst this example does free up most of the pavement the cable remains permanently at the kerbside ⁉️ If owners don’t have the means to safely protect other pedestrians whilst charging their EV’s either don’t buy it or move home. 😖
Cables across pavements are commonplace during street repairs etc. And there’s nothing illegal about that providing they’re covered adequately - as this example appears to be. Assuming the exposure of any part of the cable is not itself a threat - trip risk etc and, in fact, no different from any established solutions like lampposts - then any ‘issues’ are solely at the discretion of the local authority.

My interest is in what’s happening underground, if you like. The cabling is, presumably, running via an old(?) but existing conduit. But how is this practically possible?
You are right there is nothing illegal with this example (below) although the highways authority does give local councils the final say if they deem any to be a hazard, plus all cables have to be removed once charging is completed. Doesn’t stop them from being a total pain for many pedestrians, or the homeowner finding themselves being pursued if a serious injury was incurred. In the case of the “Bath homeowner” example it is illegal, the cable is not armoured and even if it was you are not permitted to add you own personal accessories to a public service duct, or leave exposed cable on the kerbside.

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