Diesel decline - premature?

[SAC1]

NFDA on diesel decline

Commenting on the figures, Sue Robinson, director of the National Franchised Dealers Association (NFDA) which represents franchised car and commercial vehicle dealers in the UK, said: “Despite the October new car market declining by -12.2 per cent, the Alternative Fuel Vehicle segment grew by 36.9 per cent. Although the continuous increase in alternative fuel vehicles’ sales is encouraging, in the short and medium term, they will not fully replace petrol and diesel cars. Going forward, we must ensure that consumers have the accurate facts and information to be able to choose the car best suited to their needs.”

Robinson continued, “The significant decline in sales of diesel vehicles shows that consumers have been affected by current media and government coverage. Modern Euro 6 diesel cars cannot be compared to older diesel models.

“Consumer footfall is stable, with a particular interest in the used car market which remains at high levels. It is crucial that consumers continue to receive support and the government must send clear messages about its future plans.

“While the majority of forecasts for 2018 and 2019 have recently been revised, this year’s performance remains in line with initial predictions of a -5 per cent decline.”

[Deleted User 1874]

The sooner these oil burners disappear from our roads the better. The emissions testing regime is a joke and so far from reality of normal driving conditions. Do you really want to continue breathing this shit in? I've been driving diesels for years in everyday cars, but only out of necessity.

[Guy]

^ Get off the fence and tell us what you really think!

[Deleted User 1874]

But is it not true? I feel like the industry has cheated us massively on vehicle emissions and not just VW with their appalling behaviour. It's easy to just ignore it of course (like smokers typically do when it comes to health issues), but I wouldn't want to live in any city centre today.

[Col Lamb]

A Cat6 compliant oil burner (if there is such a beast) should produce 1/3 more Nox than a petrol engined car.

There again the same oil burner should produce 1/2 as much CO2 as a petrol car.

So its between a rock and hard place.

We either breath in more Nox or the CO2 warms up the planet more.

Or we do both because of the vast increase in fossil fueled power stations that will be needed to replace our aged rubbish ones to cater for the increase in EVs.

Ergo its a no win scenario.

[Deleted User 1874]

Or we do both because of the vast increase in fossil fueled power stations that will be needed to replace our aged rubbish ones to cater for the increase in EVs.

There should be more scope to provide less polluting grid power than millions of ICEs puffing around. Most people could actually run their cars off sunshine for most of their daily needs and some do that already. Renewable energy sources are the way forward. But if the first world really wants to continue consuming power at the rate it does today for hundreds of years into the future then nuclear power is probably the only viable solution.

[ScotMac]

Or we do both because of the vast increase in fossil fueled power stations that will be needed to replace our aged rubbish ones to cater for the increase in EVs.

There should be more scope to provide less polluting grid power than millions of ICEs puffing around. Most people could actually run their cars off sunshine for most of their daily needs and some do that already.

Not that useful here in Scotland where we have only had 10 days of sunshine this year

[Deleted User 1874]

Onshore wind is by far the biggest renewable energy source in Scotland, followed by Hydro. But solar looks better than you might think up there too, but obviously seasonal:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40149604

[SAC1]

Bring on hydrogen powered vehicles with a full refueling network probably using conventional "petrol" stations.

Honda and Michelin are both actively pursuing this hydrogen motive solution.

[LLL]

SAC1 - you have a really strange agenda.