Some E xciting developments coming 18/19

[SAC1]

Tesla model 3 - ugly or lovely?

The only EV that has good design so far is the Jag iPace IMHO. Would I buy one though - no!

[Nosmo]

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Tesla model 3 - ugly or lovely?

The only EV that has good design so far is the Jag iPace IMHO. Would I buy one though - no!

Nah - Scalectrix EV vehicles are the nuts

[Guy]

This one's electric:

[Guy]

... but to be honest I thought the 'ugly or lovely' question was rhetorical

[nsm3]

Had a sit in the iPace at the London Motor Show yesterday. Have to say I was disappointed with the quality of the interior plastics.

[Wing Commander]

Mark Webber has driven the Mission E recently (car was heavily disguised) and called it a game changer.

[Deleted User 1874]

Mark Webber has driven the Mission E recently (car was heavily disguised) and called it a game changer.

I know Mark personally (I used to be his race engineer in F1) so I'll ask him about it. I've spoken to him before about EVs (a good few years ago) and their potential to become "game-changers". Now we are finally seeing it all unfold. I have no doubt the Mission-E will be amazing and probably blow their own Panamera into touch in terms of powertrain performance and refinement. The only question mark is the increased weight, which is the real achilles heel of performance EVs.

[Wing Commander]

Hi Pete. Look for the video on YouTube. It's only a couple of minutes, and Mark seems impressed with the car overall.

[Col Lamb]

Mark Webber has driven the Mission E recently (car was heavily disguised) and called it a game changer.

I know Mark personally (I used to be his race engineer in F1) so I'll ask him about it. I've spoken to him before about EVs (a good few years ago) and their potential to become "game-changers". Now we are finally seeing it all unfold. I have no doubt the Mission-E will be amazing and probably blow their own Panamera into touch in terms of powertrain performance and refinement. The only question mark is the increased weight, which is the real achilles heel of performance EVs.

I would not totally agree with you:-

Lower CoG.

A more controllable position of the CoG since no heavy engine/gearbox/diff to apcater for in the design.

Less rotating masses.

Less torque steer.

Superior performance of electric motor v ICE.

More efficient internal, boot and space under the hood as no intrusive drive tunnel.

Greater design flexibility in the placement of cabin equipment.

Greater flexibility in A/C equipment placement.

Great flexibility in body design

[Deleted User 1874]

Mark Webber has driven the Mission E recently (car was heavily disguised) and called it a game changer.

I know Mark personally (I used to be his race engineer in F1) so I'll ask him about it. I've spoken to him before about EVs (a good few years ago) and their potential to become "game-changers". Now we are finally seeing it all unfold. I have no doubt the Mission-E will be amazing and probably blow their own Panamera into touch in terms of powertrain performance and refinement. The only question mark is the increased weight, which is the real achilles heel of performance EVs.

I would not totally agree with you:-

Lower CoG.

A more controllable position of the CoG since no heavy engine/gearbox/diff to apcater for in the design.

Less rotating masses.

Less torque steer.

Superior performance of electric motor v ICE.

More efficient internal, boot and space under the hood as no intrusive drive tunnel.

Greater design flexibility in the placement of cabin equipment.

Greater flexibility in A/C equipment placement.

Great flexibility in body design

As I said, increased total weight is the ONLY downside regarding performance and handling. Literally everything else is a positive and hence it ought to blow the Panamera away. But having studied vehicle dynamics and engineered high level racing cars for several decades you can't help but notice that mass is a fundamental parameter in any vehicle dynamics model. If you have to make the car say 2-300 kg heavier than an equivalent ICE car then that's quite a disadvantage to overcome. I think Porsche are estimating 2200 kg for the Mission-E vs around 2000 kg for the slightly larger Panamera. Porsche themselves have stated that they chose to build the Mission-E as a large touring car rather than a smaller sportscar due to the battery weight being less of a penalty in that size and class of car. The same applies to the Tesla Model S and X.