Tesla one year later...

[pmg]

Let me help the BBC out here with this graph.

So for a start they've converted $ to £ for the Model 3 and not added any UK VAT, duty or shipping. And they seem to have totally forgotten about the higher end model 3 options too. So for an apples vs apples comparison the Model 3 price range should really be £35-70k and then it will make some sense.

Thanks for the clarification. Accept your arguments on conversion re spreads but still, large price gap in base models of the ranges cf other makes

[Dandock]

Regardless of the journo shortcomings it does appear clear that Tesla's decision making is rather volatile - to say the least. The recent various up/down pricing announcements, for example. For another the store closures. - which it is reported (?) have not been properly thought out inasmuch as the property leaseholders will be owed $ millions if not $ billions and are threatening to sue. This was actually flagged as a possible downside issue in Tesla's R&A.

Of the stores remaining open test drives can no longer be booked. Commission and bonuses for store employees have been cancelled.

It all smacks of scraping around for savings wherever they can be found.

Imagine if SpaceX were run this way!

PS. There also is rumours that he faces action from their institutional shareholders re the 500,000 vehicles in 2019 claim!

[Deleted User 1874]

Thanks for the clarification. Accept your arguments on conversion re spreads but still, large price gap in base models of the ranges cf other makes

That's because there are no "budget" options in the S and X model ranges. For example, there are no equivalents of a base level BMW 520. The base performance of a Model S is 480 hp and 0-60 in 4.2 sec. Then there are 2 higher spec models, one with a slightly bigger battery and one with 700+ hp. Model X there are now only 2 options since they dropped the smaller battery. So Model 3 has the widest range of prices because of the wider audience it needs to appeal to.

[Deleted User 1874]

Regardless of the journo shortcomings it does appear clear that Tesla's decision making is rather volatile - to say the least. The recent various up/down pricing announcements, for example. For another the store closures. - which it is reported (?) have not been properly thought out inasmuch as the property leaseholders will be owed $ millions if not $ billions and are threatening to sue. This was actually flagged as a possible downside issue in Tesla's R&A.

Of the stores remaining open test drives can no longer be booked. Commission and bonuses for store employees have been cancelled.

It all smacks of scraping around for savings wherever they can be found.

Imagine if SpaceX were run this way!

PS. There also is rumours that he faces action from their institutional shareholders re the 500,000 vehicles in 2019 claim!

Are you the BBC reporter?

"It all smacks of scraping around for savings wherever they can be found." Seems like a good plan for any car company to me.

There's plenty of volatility going on at VAG/Porsche too. The diesel fiasco and indecision about whether or not to continue down that path. Then the indecision over whether or not to go EV, how much to invest, timescales, models, production volumes etc. Then they announce that the next Macan will be fully electric only, but then announce a few days later that actually it will be sold alongside a revamped ICE Macan - probably.

It's a time of great change in the industry, unless you just ignore it all like Toyota.

[Dandock]

Regardless of the journo shortcomings it does appear clear that Tesla's decision making is rather volatile - to say the least. The recent various up/down pricing announcements, for example. For another the store closures. - which it is reported (?) have not been properly thought out inasmuch as the property leaseholders will be owed $ millions if not $ billions and are threatening to sue. This was actually flagged as a possible downside issue in Tesla's R&A.

Of the stores remaining open test drives can no longer be booked. Commission and bonuses for store employees have been cancelled.

It all smacks of scraping around for savings wherever they can be found.

Imagine if SpaceX were run this way!

PS. There also is rumours that he faces action from their institutional shareholders re the 500,000 vehicles in 2019 claim!

Are you the BBC reporter?

Nope! Just sayin’!

[Col Lamb]

Regardless of the journo shortcomings it does appear clear that Tesla's decision making is rather volatile - to say the least. The recent various up/down pricing announcements, for example. For another the store closures. - which it is reported (?) have not been properly thought out inasmuch as the property leaseholders will be owed $ millions if not $ billions and are threatening to sue. This was actually flagged as a possible downside issue in Tesla's R&A.

Of the stores remaining open test drives can no longer be booked.

Commission and bonuses for store employees have been cancelled.

It all smacks of scraping around for savings wherever they can be found.

Imagine if SpaceX were run this way!

PS. There also is rumours that he faces action from their institutional shareholders re the 500,000 vehicles in 2019 claim!

No test drive ..... no sale.

Who in their right mind would buy a new car off the internet.

Tesla is not Porsche.

It is still a company run by a guy who may be innovative but I have severe doubts as to the longeivty of Tesla in its present form.

I’d rather have an electric Jag than a Tesla.

Edit.
Tesla do not know what they are doing, after cutting prices one week, they are now implementing a worldwide 3% price increase.

[Deleted User 1874]

Regardless of the journo shortcomings it does appear clear that Tesla's decision making is rather volatile - to say the least. The recent various up/down pricing announcements, for example. For another the store closures. - which it is reported (?) have not been properly thought out inasmuch as the property leaseholders will be owed $ millions if not $ billions and are threatening to sue. This was actually flagged as a possible downside issue in Tesla's R&A.

Of the stores remaining open test drives can no longer be booked.

Commission and bonuses for store employees have been cancelled.

It all smacks of scraping around for savings wherever they can be found.

Imagine if SpaceX were run this way!

PS. There also is rumours that he faces action from their institutional shareholders re the 500,000 vehicles in 2019 claim!

No test drive ..... no sale.

Who in their right mind would buy a new car off the internet.

Tesla is not Porsche.

It is still a company run by a guy who may be innovative but I have severe doubts as to the longeivty of Tesla in its present form.

I’d rather have an electric Jag than a Tesla.

Edit.
Tesla do not know what they are doing, after cutting prices one week, they are now implementing a worldwide 3% price increase.

First the BBC reporter and now here comes Victor Meldrew!
Only joking of course, but you definitely don't fit the Tesla demographic, so it doesn't really matter what you think.

I would imagine the electric Jag would probably be more your thing. It's a lot more conservative in design, but the UI is now starting to come in for some criticism (unresponsive and fiddly) and it's proving to be considerably less efficient than the larger Model X. Some people prefer it though because it's more in their comfort zone and has that "Jag build quality". Seemed a bit shiny plasticky inside to me, but it's got a badge image. I would still take it over a Macan for its EV drivetrain alone, but you know I love EV performance.

Tesla may be thrashing about a bit wildly with pricing and sales strategy lately as they ramp up Model 3 production (200,000 of them out there now) and prepare to launch the Model Y this week. But Porsche still can't even decide what cars to build yet beyond 2020. Once they start mixing EV, hybrid and petrol variants it will be a nightmare to position them all in the market. Especially when it comes to their relative performance.

You might notice that Tesla have re-positioned their serious performance Models at a far more competitive price than ever before. Now you can have 1250 Nm of instant torque ( 0-60 in 2.3 sec etc) for merely a £7k upgrade over the standard models. That's going to create a bit of a headache for Porsche when they release specs and pricing for the Taycan, since they were planning to have tier pricing for different power levels (like Tesla have always had) and I'm guessing £7k was not the figure they had in mind to upgrade to the top performance variant. So now what do they do about that? And how do they position their ICE models without them starting to look a bit slow in comparison? How piss poor does the Audi E-tron performance look in comparison for the same money?

It's easy to say throwaway comments like "Tesla don't know what they're doing". But there are probably some clever people there that have actually given it some thought and their focus is purely on EV. They don't have the hassle of having to worry about keeping ICE variants competitive. It's now expected that Tesla's next move will be to wheel out their next gen battery tech into the S and X (based on the Model 3 cell chemistry), making the things even quicker and more efficient.

[johnd]

I would imagine the electric Jag would probably be more your thing....and it's proving to be considerably less efficient than the larger Model X.

That certainly seems to be the conclusion of previous tests but the latest TB seems to throw some uncertainty into the mix.



Rather a limited test it has to be said, but not much to choose between Model X and I-Pace. Both of them shade the new e-Tron though - not sure how well that bodes for the e-Macan. I suppose consumption is not something that bothers the average Porsche owner, though when translated into EV range maybe it will come into focus more?

[Paul]

(Victor Meldrew.....)

[Wing Commander]

Is this the same Col that would never, ever buy a Jag again...?!