The ZAP-map article says:
"The new confirmed sites include two in Sheffield, and one each in Birmingham and Swindon. The company also reports that additional sites have been identified in London and around the M25, along the M1 corridor including Leeds, the M4 corridor including Oxford, and M4 corridor including Bristol and Cardiff.
Hydrogen supplier and storage experts ITM Power already have four publicly accessible refuelling stations, one on the M1 at Rotherham, and three in and around London – Rainham, Teddington and Cobham Services.
As such, there is a concentration of refuelling sites in London, and the new announcement of two further sites in Sheffield will also see three in relatively close proximity in South Yorkshire around the M1."
A fuel-cell car has a hydrogen tank that can be refilled with pressurised hydrogen in minutes.
The future is green
It will be interesting to see how fuel-cell cars work out in the UK. I don't personally think it will go anywhere now that EVs are becoming ever more popular, but feel free to dredge up this thread in 5 years time if it becomes a major player. Right now it looks more like the Betamax of the automotive world to me.
I'm also left wondering who in their right mind would actually buy a fuel cell car in the UK today with such little infrastructure in place? There are literally a handful of sites covering the entire UK.
I'm also left wondering who in their right mind would actually buy a fuel cell car in the UK today with such little infrastructure in place? There are literally a handful of sites covering the entire UK.
Equally BEVs will not be the default solution for everyone needing personal transport. There are likely to be alternatives.
Some people went for cartridge players when cassettes proved more popular. Then along came the CD. Followed by the MP3 player, memory stick etc. Now it's all about streaming music from various Apps etc. Yet.....the radio is still the default for a lot of people for their music needs and.....vinyl has made a come back for some!
So who really knows what will be the dominant motive power for cars in 10 or 20 years time.
Some people went for cartridge players when cassettes proved more popular. Then along came the CD. Followed by the MP3 player, memory stick etc. Now it's all about streaming music from various Apps etc. Yet.....the radio is still the default for a lot of people for their music needs and.....vinyl has made a come back for some!
So who really knows what will be the dominant motive power for cars in 10 or 20 years time.
Steve
2020 GTS in Sapphire Blue
(sold) 2017 SD in Rhodium Silver
2020 GTS in Sapphire Blue
(sold) 2017 SD in Rhodium Silver
I tend to agree, but I think BEVs are going to become far more mainstream, particularly for city use and those with convenient home charging options. Given the huge inertia of the automotive industry, I can't see anything other than BEVs, PHEVs and legacy ICE over the next 20 years.SAC1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:54 pm Equally BEVs will not be the default solution for everyone needing personal transport. There are likely to be alternatives.
Some people went for cartridge players when cassettes proved more popular. Then along came the CD. Followed by the MP3 player, memory stick etc. Now it's all about streaming music from various Apps etc. Yet.....the radio is still the default for a lot of people for their music needs and.....vinyl has made a come back for some!
So who really knows what will be the dominant motive power for cars in 10 or 20 years time.
Well it looks like I was on the right track as far as future Porsche diesels are concerned. I realise diesels are still big business elsewhere for the time being, but I'll bet there are some pretty tense board meetings going on at VAG regarding future diesel investment. Diesel car sales are only going one way and it isn't up.SAC1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:32 amLOL......You may be so wrong:Peteski wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:09 amI actually said diesel (cars) are dead wood, even if it may take decades for them to actually disappear off our roads. I never said BEV had to be a "final" solution either. I believe there will be a mixture of power technologies in the medium/long term, but probably mainly BEV and petrol hybrids moving forward, as that's where the industry is now investing and making public statements is it not?
As for future Porsche diesels, they look pretty thin on the ground and you get the distinct impression that any future Porsche diesels will only exist due to VAG pressure to recoup their past investments. It's the high end performance oriented market where I expect diesels to disappear quickest. Few people will shed a tear when they are forced into buying a petrol Porsche, lol.
911 C2 Pickup 14th April 2018
http://www.porsche-code.com/PJN1HBF2
Pensioner Petrol S - http://www.porsche-code.com/PHMKHZF4 - Deposit place 11/11/14 - Pick up 09/05/16 - SOLD 30/08/17
http://www.porsche-code.com/PJN1HBF2
Pensioner Petrol S - http://www.porsche-code.com/PHMKHZF4 - Deposit place 11/11/14 - Pick up 09/05/16 - SOLD 30/08/17
Not sure fair really figures in tax policy... is NI of 2% on earnings over 50k fair when its 13% on earnings below that? what about an effective tax rate of 60% on earnings between 100k and 125k per annum but only 40% from 125k to 150k?
And they quietly dropped the environment piece from road fund - you pay luxury premium on Tesla and other EVs too....
Even with a supercharger...who wants to wait 20 mins to get charged?
1972 - MKIII Cortina 2L GT
Orion Ghia 1.6 Inj
Then got Married (Twice)
Nissan Micra
Peugeot 307 & 207
Kia Sorrento - Honda HRV
And single again so time for....
Macan GTS - Ordering after lockdown (1st new car Ever)
Orion Ghia 1.6 Inj
Then got Married (Twice)
Nissan Micra
Peugeot 307 & 207
Kia Sorrento - Honda HRV
And single again so time for....
Macan GTS - Ordering after lockdown (1st new car Ever)
I don’t if anyone’s been watching Wisting on BBC4. A Norwegian cop series currently on about episode 8 and I haven’t seen a single EV yet!
VG Petrol S http://www.porsche-code.com/PHIVCQU7 And a GT3 RS... by Lego! Not crash-tested!
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