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Re: The future is green

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:48 am
by SAC1
The ZAP-map article says:

"The new confirmed sites include two in Sheffield, and one each in Birmingham and Swindon. The company also reports that additional sites have been identified in London and around the M25, along the M1 corridor including Leeds, the M4 corridor including Oxford, and M4 corridor including Bristol and Cardiff.

Hydrogen supplier and storage experts ITM Power already have four publicly accessible refuelling stations, one on the M1 at Rotherham, and three in and around London – Rainham, Teddington and Cobham Services.

As such, there is a concentration of refuelling sites in London, and the new announcement of two further sites in Sheffield will also see three in relatively close proximity in South Yorkshire around the M1."

A fuel-cell car has a hydrogen tank that can be refilled with pressurised hydrogen in minutes.

Re: The future is green

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:52 pm
by Deleted User 1874
It will be interesting to see how fuel-cell cars work out in the UK. I don't personally think it will go anywhere now that EVs are becoming ever more popular, but feel free to dredge up this thread in 5 years time if it becomes a major player. Right now it looks more like the Betamax of the automotive world to me.

I'm also left wondering who in their right mind would actually buy a fuel cell car in the UK today with such little infrastructure in place? There are literally a handful of sites covering the entire UK.

Re: The future is green

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:54 pm
by SAC1
Equally BEVs will not be the default solution for everyone needing personal transport. There are likely to be alternatives.

Some people went for cartridge players when cassettes proved more popular. Then along came the CD. Followed by the MP3 player, memory stick etc. Now it's all about streaming music from various Apps etc. Yet.....the radio is still the default for a lot of people for their music needs and.....vinyl has made a come back for some!

So who really knows what will be the dominant motive power for cars in 10 or 20 years time.

Re: The future is green

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:05 am
by Deleted User 1874
SAC1 wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:54 pm Equally BEVs will not be the default solution for everyone needing personal transport. There are likely to be alternatives.

Some people went for cartridge players when cassettes proved more popular. Then along came the CD. Followed by the MP3 player, memory stick etc. Now it's all about streaming music from various Apps etc. Yet.....the radio is still the default for a lot of people for their music needs and.....vinyl has made a come back for some!

So who really knows what will be the dominant motive power for cars in 10 or 20 years time.
I tend to agree, but I think BEVs are going to become far more mainstream, particularly for city use and those with convenient home charging options. Given the huge inertia of the automotive industry, I can't see anything other than BEVs, PHEVs and legacy ICE over the next 20 years.

Re: The future is green

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:54 pm
by Deleted User 1874
SAC1 wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:32 am
Peteski wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:09 am
SAC1 wrote: Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:39 pm So what? Well ICE are far from dead as you imply and BEV is NOT the final solution.
I actually said diesel (cars) are dead wood, even if it may take decades for them to actually disappear off our roads. I never said BEV had to be a "final" solution either. I believe there will be a mixture of power technologies in the medium/long term, but probably mainly BEV and petrol hybrids moving forward, as that's where the industry is now investing and making public statements is it not?

As for future Porsche diesels, they look pretty thin on the ground and you get the distinct impression that any future Porsche diesels will only exist due to VAG pressure to recoup their past investments. It's the high end performance oriented market where I expect diesels to disappear quickest. Few people will shed a tear when they are forced into buying a petrol Porsche, lol.
LOL......You may be so wrong:
Well it looks like I was on the right track as far as future Porsche diesels are concerned. I realise diesels are still big business elsewhere for the time being, but I'll bet there are some pretty tense board meetings going on at VAG regarding future diesel investment. Diesel car sales are only going one way and it isn't up.

Re: The future is green

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:24 pm
by spook
SAC1 wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:54 pm .vinyl has made a come back for some!


Never went away for me

Re: The future is green

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:55 am
by Pivot
In the meantime... Dr Simon Evans reported this very interesting trend and interception point:


Re: The future is green

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:12 pm
by Isleaiw
nsm3 wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:18 pm I can't see how sticking an extra £300+ on the VED of a car over £40k for the first 5 years, is either fair, or going to help save the planet TBH?
Not sure fair really figures in tax policy... is NI of 2% on earnings over 50k fair when its 13% on earnings below that? what about an effective tax rate of 60% on earnings between 100k and 125k per annum but only 40% from 125k to 150k?

And they quietly dropped the environment piece from road fund - you pay luxury premium on Tesla and other EVs too....

Re: The future is green

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:40 am
by jone66
Even with a supercharger...who wants to wait 20 mins to get charged?

Re: The future is green

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:40 pm
by Dandock
I don’t if anyone’s been watching Wisting on BBC4. A Norwegian cop series currently on about episode 8 and I haven’t seen a single EV yet! ;)