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Highway code.....

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You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.
Law GL(GP)A sect 15
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And usually imposed at £x per wheel.
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TheTraveller wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 7:34 pm Then there is other criteria in relation to the skip, that has to be fulfilled.
All the skips I've seen are not only fulfilled, they're overfilled!
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The offence is driving on the pavement..
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In some streets, where the road is too narrow to allow traffic to flow in both directions safely, parking partly on the pavement has been judged a necessity, and the authorities have had a white line painted along it, to denote this .
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Paul wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 7:44 pm Highway code.....

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You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.
Law GL(GP)A sect 15
Paul, The highway code is not law, it is advisory. But the courts will look to it when passing judgement, and if any of its advice has been contravened.
The two offences in the Road Traffic Act in relation to it are, driving along it, but there are exceptions (obviously) to get across it to your home/drive etc, and to obstruct it.
In the earlier photo's of the parked cars. Me thinks that this must be somewhere like London, where the drivers are terrified of being an inch onto the pavement. And as there is no high kerb to give an indication of where it ends, so the drivers are doubly sure not to park on it, by parking 'miles' from it.
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(I don’t want to appear pedantic....and it doesn't really matter....but the facts are as follows...)

Many of the rules in the Code are legal requirements, and if you disobey these rules you are committing a criminal offence. You may be fined, given penalty points on your licence or be disqualified from driving. In the most serious cases you may be sent to prison. Such rules are identified by the use of the words ‘MUST/MUST NOT’. In addition, the rule includes an abbreviated reference to the legislation which creates the offence. See an explanation of the abbreviations.

Although failure to comply with the other rules of the Code will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted, The Highway Code may be used in evidence in any court proceedings under the Traffic Acts (see The road user and the law) to establish liability. This includes rules which use advisory wording such as ‘should/should not’ or ‘do/do not’.
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TheTraveller wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 10:28 am
Paul wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 7:44 pm Highway code.....

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You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.
Law GL(GP)A sect 15
Paul, The highway code is not law, it is advisory. But the courts will look to it when passing judgement, and if any of its advice has been contravened.
The two offences in the Road Traffic Act in relation to it are, driving along it, but there are exceptions (obviously) to get across it to your home/drive etc, and to obstruct it.
In the earlier photo's of the parked cars. Me thinks that this must be somewhere like London, where the drivers are terrified of being an inch onto the pavement. And as there is no high kerb to give an indication of where it ends, so the drivers are doubly sure not to park on it, by parking 'miles' from it.
Not London - but Cheltenham - and whether Victorian or Regency terraces, relatively little off-road parking. Lots of narrow streets too and when some Wally parks badly it compromises and threatens others. A Lupo suddenly becomes the size of a Cayenne or Rolls Royce. And its usually the 'other' car that falls victim. The watchword has to be 'can the emergency services get through?'

The white Merc owner was maybe a tad inhibited but more likely I think someone with a busy, busy life who can't spare another 30 seconds or another ounce of concentration. The Lupo was just plain bone idleness. All to often a case of leave it where it stops. And an awful lot to do with not giving a sh*t!

Parking on the pavement has long been tolerated because of the benefit it provides. So are the authorities trying to create a disincentive re car ownership, or are they just being mercenary? Is parking on the pavement wrong? It certainly is when it blocks the passage of pushchairs and wheelchairs. Is parking inconsiderately or badly wrong. Well, yes it is when other road users - especially Emergency services etc - have difficulty getting through a gap. So should that be a punishable offence?

Perhaps an alternating system would work. Left side - right side on alternate weeks.

What would be their position on EV cables draped across pavements?!! Invest on infrastructure or tolerate until such time.... They can't have it both ways!
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"Perhaps an alternating system would work. Left side - right side on alternate weeks."

Mike, is that a joke? :)

If not, I cannot see that working at all. Some people find signage confusing enough as it is, let alone needing a calendar to check which side of the road one can park on. Wasn't it in Cheltenham recently where a driver got let off a traffic offence/fine due to the overly confusing signage on display?
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Wing Commander wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 1:40 pm "Perhaps an alternating system would work. Left side - right side on alternate weeks."

Mike, is that a joke? :)

If not, I cannot see that working at all. Some people find signage confusing enough as it is, let alone needing a calendar to check which side of the road one can park on. Wasn't it in Cheltenham recently where a driver got let off a traffic offence/fine due to the overly confusing signage on display?
Totally impractical. I was just thinking out loud referencing NY traffic flow systems (bridge lanes differ am-pm and French congestion arrangements of odd number registrations one day, even the next.

And yes Cheltenham have had a number of cases overturned recently. Mind you the signage is appalling. Six months since the start of the scheme and there’s still the same number failing to understand the revised arrangements!
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