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Mark Webber has driven the Mission E recently (car was heavily disguised) and called it a game changer.
Simon
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Sold: 2016 Rhodium Silver Macan 2.0
Sold: 2013 Platinum Silver 911 (991.1) C2
Sold: 2017 Carmine Red Panamera 4
Mine: 991.2 Carrera T Racing Yellow 06/04/2018
I know Mark personally (I used to be his race engineer in F1) so I'll ask him about it. I've spoken to him before about EVs (a good few years ago) and their potential to become "game-changers". Now we are finally seeing it all unfold. I have no doubt the Mission-E will be amazing and probably blow their own Panamera into touch in terms of powertrain performance and refinement. The only question mark is the increased weight, which is the real achilles heel of performance EVs.Wing Commander wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 4:16 pm Mark Webber has driven the Mission E recently (car was heavily disguised) and called it a game changer.
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Hi Pete. Look for the video on YouTube. It's only a couple of minutes, and Mark seems impressed with the car overall.
Simon
Sold: 2016 Rhodium Silver Macan 2.0
Sold: 2013 Platinum Silver 911 (991.1) C2
Sold: 2017 Carmine Red Panamera 4
Mine: 991.2 Carrera T Racing Yellow 06/04/2018
Sold: 2016 Rhodium Silver Macan 2.0
Sold: 2013 Platinum Silver 911 (991.1) C2
Sold: 2017 Carmine Red Panamera 4
Mine: 991.2 Carrera T Racing Yellow 06/04/2018
I would not totally agree with you:-Peteski wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 4:56 pmI know Mark personally (I used to be his race engineer in F1) so I'll ask him about it. I've spoken to him before about EVs (a good few years ago) and their potential to become "game-changers". Now we are finally seeing it all unfold. I have no doubt the Mission-E will be amazing and probably blow their own Panamera into touch in terms of powertrain performance and refinement. The only question mark is the increased weight, which is the real achilles heel of performance EVs.Wing Commander wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 4:16 pm Mark Webber has driven the Mission E recently (car was heavily disguised) and called it a game changer.
Lower CoG.
A more controllable position of the CoG since no heavy engine/gearbox/diff to apcater for in the design.
Less rotating masses.
Less torque steer.
Superior performance of electric motor v ICE.
More efficient internal, boot and space under the hood as no intrusive drive tunnel.
Greater design flexibility in the placement of cabin equipment.
Greater flexibility in A/C equipment placement.
Great flexibility in body design
Col
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Macan Turbo
Air, 20” wheels, ACC, Pano, SurCam, 14w, LEDs, PS+, Int Light Pack, Heated seats and Steering, spare wheel, SC, Privacy glass, PDK gear, SD mirrors, Met Black, rear airbags
As I said, increased total weight is the ONLY downside regarding performance and handling. Literally everything else is a positive and hence it ought to blow the Panamera away. But having studied vehicle dynamics and engineered high level racing cars for several decades you can't help but notice that mass is a fundamental parameter in any vehicle dynamics model. If you have to make the car say 2-300 kg heavier than an equivalent ICE car then that's quite a disadvantage to overcome. I think Porsche are estimating 2200 kg for the Mission-E vs around 2000 kg for the slightly larger Panamera. Porsche themselves have stated that they chose to build the Mission-E as a large touring car rather than a smaller sportscar due to the battery weight being less of a penalty in that size and class of car. The same applies to the Tesla Model S and X.Col Lamb wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 5:17 pmI would not totally agree with you:-Peteski wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 4:56 pmI know Mark personally (I used to be his race engineer in F1) so I'll ask him about it. I've spoken to him before about EVs (a good few years ago) and their potential to become "game-changers". Now we are finally seeing it all unfold. I have no doubt the Mission-E will be amazing and probably blow their own Panamera into touch in terms of powertrain performance and refinement. The only question mark is the increased weight, which is the real achilles heel of performance EVs.Wing Commander wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 4:16 pm Mark Webber has driven the Mission E recently (car was heavily disguised) and called it a game changer.
Lower CoG.
A more controllable position of the CoG since no heavy engine/gearbox/diff to apcater for in the design.
Less rotating masses.
Less torque steer.
Superior performance of electric motor v ICE.
More efficient internal, boot and space under the hood as no intrusive drive tunnel.
Greater design flexibility in the placement of cabin equipment.
Greater flexibility in A/C equipment placement.
Great flexibility in body design
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