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Uni11 wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:02 pm The point is all Porsches for the last 10 years + have had a 2 year 20,000 mile’s service schedule. And up to now there doesn’t seem to be too many issues regarding problems. Now if all the models were still on this schedule and you as an owner wishes to service your car on a yearly basis then that is your prerogative. However I do not want to get tied into a yearly bother with their rip off service prices every year, I’m happy to pay their £1000 or so every 2 years.
Now if I want, I can still do a oil change with parts at approximately £100 ( oil+filter) and pay a good indie say £50-100 and that’s me done without messing with the service schedule. No need to stamp the book and keep that for the official service at 2 year intervals. But to pay best part of £500 for a 1 year oil change and then get my pants pulled down at year 2 for £1000+ then rinse and repeat for the foreseeable is just another money maker for them.
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Surely if you use an indie for the oil service you'd want the service book stamped and an invoice showing Porsche parts and recommended oil used, plus maybe the Indie's invoice from Porsche?
My local OPC said it was fine to use the local indie.
There's also the law preventing manufacturers from insisting their own network is used.
But you need proof for a warranty issue.
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By way of comparison, my wife's Ford Puma has just been serviced at a cost of £335 which I was flabbergasted at.
This included an oil change and new spark plugs.
No free coffee, cakes, luxury waiting area, courtesy car etc.!!
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DJMCUK wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:56 pm
There's also the law preventing manufacturers from insisting their own network is used.
This only applies to the original 3-year new car warranty. The Porsche extended warranty is an insurance contract and has specific terms and conditions, eg service/repair work has to be done by an OPC.
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DJMCUK wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:56 pm Surely if you use an indie for the oil service you'd want the service book stamped and an invoice showing Porsche parts and recommended oil used, plus maybe the Indie's invoice from Porsche?
My local OPC said it was fine to use the local indie.
There's also the law preventing manufacturers from insisting their own network is used.
But you need proof for a warranty issue.

My point was, Any Porsche I’ve bought, I have wanted full Porsche service history. Cars up to 6 years old I would expect full opc service history otherwise I don’t take them into consideration.
Now older cars like 997 and early 991 or other performance cars such as M3s or RS as they get older they become more specialised as to components going wrong and that’s where indies come into their own. Especially regarding costs.

Now my brand new macan I would like to keep under a full Porsche service history and all Porsche stamps in the book. However if I think I want to change the oil every year outside of the Porsche schedule I would purchase the oil and filter and keep the receipts and when the indie does his work I would get a invoice for that work. That I would keep separate from the service book but would show it’s had extra oil changes at 12 month intervals. It shows a potential owner that I am a petrolhead and do look after my cars. Over my 29 odd years of owning cars I have sold every single car bar 2 privately and quickly.
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I have noticed on the Rennlist forum that lots of owners (991s) change their oil regularly/annually in North America and often undertake the work themselves.
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My last 3 MBs needed annual services irrespective of mileage, so oil was changed every 6000 miles but service cost was only circa £400 pa. If the Macan oil change and service time were roughly at the same time then there wouldn't be much difference in service cost.
Has anybody on here got a definitive cost of an interim oil change only and a service without oil change at an OPC ?
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Scooby_Doo wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:59 pm My last 3 MBs needed annual services irrespective of mileage, so oil was changed every 6000 miles but service cost was only circa £400 pa. If the Macan oil change and service time were roughly at the same time then there wouldn't be much difference in service cost.
Has anybody on here got a definitive cost of an interim oil change only and a service without oil change at an OPC ?
Yes, on my last Macan because I used it for 'all' journeys it asked for an oil change before the first interim service was due, I got a quote from OPC Tewkesbury for both being done at the same time then they agreed just to split the cost so I paid £300 for the oil change (6/20) followed by the first interim service 6 months later without changing the oil again when they charged the balance of £345 (£225 for the service element and £120 for the brake fluid change) This was followed by a 2nd oil change charged at £345 (7/21) and then the full 4yr service at £797 (12/22) before I sold the car. I fully appreciate costs have risen since but it gives you an idea....................
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As discussed above, although Porsche recommended 20K miles between oil changes on earlier Macans, newer models have condition based changes which may be as frequent as every 10K miles. I wonder if that has been introduced because experience has shown Porsche that 20K was too long.

I say this because of my experience with my Macan, a 2014 Gen 1 Macan S which was a one lady owner car with full OPC service history that had done 70K miles when I bought it. The services had been done correctly every 2 years, and it was doing the full 20K miles between services early in its life. As an engineer (in the aerospace industry not automotive) I was quite surprised the oil change interval was that long, especially in the first 2 years of its life when there is bound to be some bedding in of components.

Last January my engine developed a fault which my local OPC investigated and discovered a broken timing chain guide rail. I had to have the timing chain, tensioners and guide rails all replaced. As you can imagine a big bill! (No warranty, bought outside of dealer network).

I asked the OPC if they’d seen this type of failure before on a Macan of this age and mileage and they said no, and offered no explanation apart from random component failure.

The fault occurred when I started the car for the first time during a cold snap when I hadn’t used the car for a couple of weeks. So it was probably a combination of worn tensioners taking a moment to build up pressure and the chain slapping against the plastic guide which was worn and brittle in the cold temperature.

However, this clearly should not happen on a well maintained car that had only done 70K miles. A quick look on the internet revealed that timing chain failures are not unknown. Maybe when Porsche started seeing premature timing chain wear they revised the oil change recommendations.
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Post by carbonblack »

IMO I think Uni11 way of doing things is the best way to go. I would and do do this with my Range Rover.
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