EV in 2021 but Petrol to stay until 2024

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EV in 2021 but Petrol to stay until 2024

Post by paulmac » Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:42 pm

A number of articles have appeared in the last day or two.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30852062/porsche-macan-gasoline-electric/

I hope this isnt just the US market.

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Post by JBA » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:05 pm

I hope so too.
EVs are over-rated and over-hyped. They are just not game-changing enough, all things considered, to overtake ICE any time soon.
I think manufacturers have jumped the gun a bit...just like they did with the rush to diesel..and look how that's shaped up.
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Re: EV in 2021 but Petrol to stay until 2024

Post by SmallWheels » Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:31 pm

JBA wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:05 pm
EVs are over-rated and over-hyped. They are just not game-changing enough, all things considered, to overtake ICE any time soon. I think manufacturers have jumped the gun a bit...just like they did with the rush to diesel..and look how that's shaped up.
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Blame the politicians, not the manufacturers. They are they ones who've changed the targets.

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Re: EV in 2021 but Petrol to stay until 2024

Post by SAC1 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:31 pm

Hopefully GB will get some proper recharging infrastructure in the next few years.....

As the Top Gear TV review of the Taycan said - it can be recharged in 20 minutes......but there are only 4 of those fast public chargers here. Provided they are not already occupied, and then it still takes 20 minutes to recharge. Or it takes 24 hours on a home charger....really?!!!!
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Re: EV in 2021 but Petrol to stay until 2024

Post by paulmac » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:04 pm

Ionity seemed like the company that would be able to roll out supercharging that would slowly become a game changer. Unfortunatly their announcement in January to replace the flat charge with per kw pricing will mean that without subsidies from the individual manufcturers (currently most potential support is coming from Germany) will mean around 45 euro for 200-300 km's.

I am told superchargers are very expensive to install. So much so that some OPC's are going to adopt fast charge instead.

Ionity is fast but expensive.

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Re: EV in 2021 but Petrol to stay until 2024

Post by Rab J » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:09 pm

paulmac wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:04 pm
Ionity seemed like the company that would be able to roll out supercharging that would slowly become a game changer. Unfortunatly their announcement in January to replace the flat charge with per kw pricing will mean that without subsidies from the individual manufcturers (currently most potential support is coming from Germany) will mean around 45 euro for 200-300 km's.

I am told superchargers are very expensive to install. So much so that some OPC's are going to adopt fast charge instead.

Ionity is fast but expensive.

Paul
Beginning to look like the idea that EVs are cheap to run if not buy are somewhat of the mark and thats even before government start to tax the electric used in a similar level to petrol. I doubt EVs are going to be very expensive indeed.
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Re: EV in 2021 but Petrol to stay until 2024

Post by JBA » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:19 pm

SmallWheels wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:31 pm
JBA wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:05 pm
EVs are over-rated and over-hyped. They are just not game-changing enough, all things considered, to overtake ICE any time soon. I think manufacturers have jumped the gun a bit...just like they did with the rush to diesel..and look how that's shaped up.
...
Blame the politicians, not the manufacturers. They are they ones who've changed the targets.
Yep agree. Politicians , green lobbyists and pressure groups will do anything for Greta!😉😉

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Re: EV in 2021 but Petrol to stay until 2024

Post by Tom 2000 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:41 am

paulmac wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:04 pm
Ionity seemed like the company that would be able to roll out supercharging that would slowly become a game changer. Unfortunatly their announcement in January to replace the flat charge with per kw pricing will mean that without subsidies from the individual manufcturers (currently most potential support is coming from Germany) will mean around 45 euro for 200-300 km's.

I am told superchargers are very expensive to install. So much so that some OPC's are going to adopt fast charge instead.

Ionity is fast but expensive.

Paul
Quick conversion tells me that is £40 for 150 miles. Compared to my Macan which returns £27 for £150 miles. The green will soon wear off that proposition.
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Re: EV in 2021 but Petrol to stay until 2024

Post by Peteski » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:17 am

Interesting. My Tesla costs me roughly £6 per 200 miles. Or free if I'm charging away from home on longer runs. So it's going to be a very long time before it costs more to run than any of my previous fossil cars.

I would think twice before moving away from Tesla simply because of their excellent supercharger network. But the reality of owning an EV is that I do more than 90% of my charging at home overnight, so the cost difference would be negligible if I had to pay for on-road charging for less than 10% of my total mileage. The big draw with the Tesla supercharger network is the convenience when travelling away from home, cost saving is more of a bonus.

As for an EV Macan being available in 2021 in the UK, I'll believe it when I can test drive one. Timing would be good for our next car change, but I can't see it happening fast enough.

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Re: EV in 2021 but Petrol to stay until 2024

Post by pmg » Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:11 pm

Tom 2000 wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:41 am
paulmac wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:04 pm
Ionity seemed like the company that would be able to roll out supercharging that would slowly become a game changer. Unfortunatly their announcement in January to replace the flat charge with per kw pricing will mean that without subsidies from the individual manufcturers (currently most potential support is coming from Germany) will mean around 45 euro for 200-300 km's.

I am told superchargers are very expensive to install. So much so that some OPC's are going to adopt fast charge instead.

Ionity is fast but expensive.

Paul
Quick conversion tells me that is £40 for 150 miles. Compared to my Macan which returns £27 for £150 miles. The green will soon wear off that proposition.
Yes but for non-Tesla owners, Ionity have no real fast charger competition at the moment. When the competition arrives the pricing should go down
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